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| JC I'll not bite as you have no idea of land ownership nor planning nor economic constraints on location.
Please google PEEL HOLDINGS
and check on their hold on most land from Eccles to Liverpool.
Then check their history of selling and their attitude to opposition setting up next to their land.
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| Quote ="Kiyan"Yet again way off the mark! "Build a large commerical retail centre" with one of the largest in the Europe less than a mile away? "Dubai based company to build a light rail link too it". The bridge to connect the stadium to said retail development is in construction and funding has been approved ( and initial ground work started) for said light rail link (ie tram). I assume Toulouse and Catalan have same infrastructure (as you demand) underway?'"
Toulouse already has one of the best metro rail systems in the world, which goes direct from city centre to a station right across the street from the Toulouse Stade des Minimes. Do you think that the French are as stupid as the English in that they would build a major sports stadium without public transport connections right to the gate?
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| Quote ="tenerifeRhino"I don't know why he is making a fuss about him losing 20k a home game, I thought the guy was a billionaire.
He probably spends that fuelling up his yacht
And the guy has hardly bought real quality players to make a proper go at honours.
I'm sure he is passionate about RL but he doesn't half moan.'"
This^^^^^^^
Surely he can either make an unignorable offer for the AJ Bell or simply just buy some wasteland and build their own 12,000 seater stadium?
Langtree park cost £25 million to build, surely old money bags could afford to spend that, stick his hotel/conference on the end?
Nope...he'd rather tell everyone how HE knows best and how the GAME is to blame for his club underperforming on and off the pitch......
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Toulouse already has one of the best metro rail systems in the world, which goes direct from city centre to a station right across the street from the Toulouse Stade des Minimes. Do you think that the French are as stupid as the English in that they would build a major sports stadium without public transport connections right to the gate?'"
SHUT UP KERMIT - U ANNOYING T1T
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"This^^^^^^^
Surely he can either make an unignorable offer for the AJ Bell or simply just buy some wasteland and build their own 12,000 seater stadium?
Langtree park cost £25 million to build, surely old money bags could afford to spend that, stick his hotel/conference Centre on the end?
Nope...he'd rather tell everyone how HE knows best and how the GAME is to blame for his club underperforming on and off the pitch......'"
Yawn, if only it was that simple. Whilst I am sure Marwan could afford to do both of your suggestions, do you really think Salford City Council (who own 50% of the AJ Bell Stadium) would grant planning permission for another 12,000 seater stadium in the City? The answer is short is no, because then the AJ Bell would a white elephant and their entire investment would be for nothing. They also wouldn't sell it to him either, because it is only now the land is being developed upon around the stadium that Salford City Council are receiving some of the income they initially expected to make the whole thing viable.
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| Marwan will never have a stake in the NRL as word has already spread about the Tony Puletua fiasco, Frank his brother has a good reputation within the NRL decision makers.
News will be out sooner or later as a host of his other starts are also not being paid and the RFL are already investigating, unfortunately what it brings to light are some of the ways his early comments about salary cap rules being bent have actually caused major unrest.
I wouldn't expect many contract extensions being announced soon a the Devils.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Toulouse already has one of the best metro rail systems in the world, which goes direct from city centre to a station right across the street from the Toulouse Stade des Minimes. Do you think that the French are as stupid as the English in that they would build a major sports stadium without public transport connections right to the gate?'"
Yet they can't build a decent league of their own and need to piggy-back the "stupid" English, who despite their stupidity have a full time proffesional league despite the same up hill struggle against the might of Union and Media apathy/bias as the French.
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| The stadium's location is certainly not ideal. But this issue is relegated to minuscule importance next to NOT OWNING SO MUCH AS A TOILET SEAT OF IT.
If I were a new Salford fan I'd want an official investigation held into the club's finances in the eighteen months leading up to the move. How did the club go from leaving The Willows holding the title to a substantial chunk of real estate and yet somehow end up at the new ground empty handed?
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| "holding the title to a substantial chunk of real estate"
They did not.
We went to Barton with considerable debts which the new stadium made worse so almost went under. The Willows had been sold to (from memory) Austin Wilkinson (I could be wrong) and the Willows club went bust.
The club had been going downhill (from an accountants' point of view) for many years. It was reflected on the field.
From rumours I get from money men, other fans need to be careful as so are some other clubs.
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red""holding the title to a substantial chunk of real estate"
They did not.
We went to Barton with considerable debts '"
Oh ... I'm QUITE SURE you did. And I'd like to see the size and nature of those debts (in detail) because something hasn't added up at that club for a long, long time.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE". Do you think that the French are as stupid as the English in that they would build a major sports stadium without public transport connections right to the gate?'"
well they did think a little concrete wall would stop Hitler
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"well they did think a little concrete wall would stop Hitler'"
It did. The trouble was that it wasn't long enough so the Germans went round it.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"The stadium's location is certainly not ideal. But this issue is relegated to minuscule importance next to NOT OWNING SO MUCH AS A TOILET SEAT OF IT.
If I were a new Salford fan I'd want an official investigation held into the club's finances in the eighteen months leading up to the move. How did the club go from leaving The Willows holding the title to a substantial chunk of real estate and yet somehow end up at the new ground empty handed?'"
Without knowing any details I'd imagine Salford were in a somewhat similar position to Wakefield. I'd imagine they'd borrowed against the stadium (The Willows), or maybe even sold it, in order to fund the ongoing costs of the club for several years prior to selling it and moving.
I may be wrong but that's the impression I get from it all, as it seemed like Salford had been struggling financially for a while.
I just hope other clubs haven't done the same thing. There's nothing wrong with borrowing against assets, but it should be to invest, not fund the club for a few years.
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| It's a matter of public record that The Willows was sold quite some time before the club left it and the club then continued at the ground by renting it back.
I'm not at all sure what Mugwump is alleging - you can easily go to Companies House and retrieve the audited accounts for the club (£1 a shot!) and the Land Registry will show you details of ownership.
But hey - let's not do that, let's just fling aspersions about - it's far easier. Mr Mugwump I suggest you might like to put up or shut up?
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"It's a matter of public record that The Willows was sold quite some time before the club left it and the club then continued at the ground by renting it back.
I'm not at all sure what Mugwump is alleging - you can easily go to Companies House and retrieve the audited accounts for the club (£1 a shot!) and the Land Registry will show you details of ownership.
But hey - let's not do that, let's just fling aspersions about - it's far easier. Mr Mugwump I suggest you might like to put up or shut up?'"
Oh ... pardon me for believing Salford's recent history raises far more questions than answers (and that's BEFORE we include the entire Koukash fiasco).
Financial mismanagement - or worse is nothing new in RL. So don't expect people to believe such at Salford is completely beyond the realms of all possibility.
Was that crack I heard your nose breaking out of joint? I guess so.
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| I'm not sure what the ramifications are for the RL club but their parent company MKAC Investment Partners Ltd (directors Marwan Koukash and Andrew Chalmers), who are the 100% shareholders in the RL club, were struck off by Companies House earlier this week for not filing accounts or doing their annual return.
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| Is Rugby League about to experience its own Allen Stamford fiasco?
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| Its coming that's for sure, not sure what is going to happen to the Devils but it wont be good.
When people find out what's been going on, certainly the Salford faithful they will be disgusted & embarrassed.
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| "Oh ... pardon me for believing Salford's recent history raises far more questions than answers (and that's BEFORE we include the entire Koukash fiasco).2
you're pardoned
you're also judged
Any other green-eyed keyboard warriors wanting pardon?
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red""Oh ... pardon me for believing Salford's recent history raises far more questions than answers (and that's BEFORE we include the entire Koukash fiasco).
you're pardoned
you're also judged
Any other green-eyed keyboard warriors wanting pardon?'"
You don't wear a mask, a badge and gold epaulettes by any chance?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Oh ... pardon me for believing Salford's recent history raises far more questions than answers (and that's BEFORE we include the entire Koukash fiasco).
Financial mismanagement - or worse is nothing new in RL. So don't expect people to believe such at Salford is completely beyond the realms of all possibility.
Was that crack I heard your nose breaking out of joint? I guess so.'"
You seem a little sensitive to being told you're wrong?
You said that the old Salford company owned a chunk of real estate - I say they didn't - who is right?
Whether there is a financial fiasco waiting to unveil itself remains to be seen - certainly true that MKAC Investment partners has been dissolved though whether that is a penalty for late filing of returns or voluntary none of us know, the Companies House website is not forthcoming on that.
Never a dull moment following Salford!
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"You seem a little sensitive to being told you're wrong?'"
And you are - right. Right?
Quote You said that the old Salford company owned a chunk of real estate - I say they didn't - who is right?'"
If Salford left the Willows without a penny in the bank then I'd simply bump the question back to how they arrived at that point. For years fans were told John Wilkinson ran a tight ship performing "miracles" (god knows how many times I've heard THAT WORD used on GMR phone-ins).
So did that equate to running the club into the ground - or was it more than that? Don't sound so injured that anyone might conceive things were not as they seemed at a Rugby League club. I remember only too well the fiasco at St. Helens prior to the arrival of Eamonn McManus. The directors at our club wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't SOP across the league. Like likes like - as they say.
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| Quote ="Johnny Headline"Its coming that's for sure, not sure what is going to happen to the Devils but it wont be good.
When people find out what's been going on, certainly the Salford faithful they will be disgusted & embarrassed.'"
I cant get a credit limit on MKAC or the club....
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| No mask, though plenty of ladies at work wish I would to make it easier on their eyes.
The rest: YES!
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