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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Both Tuquiri and Civonaceva were born in Fiji you plank. Civonaceva chose Australia on the 'i've lived there for a bit' rule. Tuquiri played for Fiji, then changed his mind about where he's from, just like Jarryd Hayne, who was born in Australia, but chose Fiji. Then the Kangaroos realised they wern't as good as they used to be and he was an Aussie again.
Not exactly credible is it?
Ben Harrison is the same, sorry mate, you're Irish now.'"
you should learn all of the facts before commenting, because you clearly have no idea about the history of all 3 players. civo moved to australia when he was 3 months old, he grew up here and is proud to represent his country. who are you to tell him he is not as australian as the other players? this doesnt mean he isnt also proud of his fijian heritage, heard of dual nationality? he made a decision to play for australia and he has stuck with that decision, unlike our friends fui fui moi moi and taniela tuaki who change countries every year.
[urlhttp://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/vidot-sidelined-in-a-cultural-void/story-e6frepbf-1225939368124[/url
Quote It's the kind of experience Civoniceva, at 34, now wants for himself too. "Yeah, at the moment I'm a bit of a fake Fijian," the Penrith bookend laughs. "I was only three months old when I came to Australia and, as soon as anyone from back home hears my voice, well, there is no doubting that I'm an Aussie.
"And I'm very proud to be Australian. It's why I became a citizen. But now that I have kids of my own, I wanna teach them all about a culture that I haven't had a lot to do with ... it's like there's a void there and I want to fill it."'"
not that i agree with that article at all, but just in case you were doubting petero's australianess.
tuquri moved to australia when he was a toddler. he opted for fiji in the 2000 world cup when he was cut from the australian train on squad and was given assurances by the arl that if he helped fiji out it wouldnt affect his future origin and kangaroo chances which is of course a ridiculous way to run international sport. are you telling him that he also isnt an australian?
hayne played for australia in 07 but was cut from the world cup squad in 08. he was then invited to play for fiji in the world cup due to his dad (who he does not have a great relationship with) being born in fiji. as soon as the world cup was over he was allowed to switch back to australia. the whole episode makes a mockery out of our sport, he should never have been allowed to play for fiji!
yes, we need to put systems in place which make it more attractive for players to play for their countries of heritage (as long as they commit to this country and not play for them if they miss out on their first choice), but at the end of the day if they are australian they have every right to play for their state and country. where you are born does not solely define your nationality.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"20,000 average over 7 games.......final between the 2 best sides in the world gets 37,000 (71% capacity).....International RL is still not getting the support from the fans it deserves. The Final was a great advert for the game, but yet again, the Australian RL fans couldn't be bothered to roll up
Compare it with the attendances at other International Sporting events over the weekend:
England v Australia, Twickenham 80,002 for essentailly a nothing game.....
Scotland v All Blacks....56,807 turned up to see the expected hammering of Scotland......compare that with the 11,000 who bothered to roll up for the double header at Parramatta.........and the excuses used by some that it was raining and PNG were going to get hammered....It rains ALL THE TIME in Scotland and they were hammered, but they still got nearly 57,000
Ireland v Samoa, 31,000 .......for a country on the edge of bankruptcy, getting that many to a nothing game against a minow team is pretty good
36,700 turned up to Watch France v Fiji, 75,000 wales v South Africa, just short of 30,000 watched Italy v Argentina.........
that's over 300,000 fans for 6 games with nothing at stake and yet you, in your wisdom think that International RL is healthyd040.gif
You also attempted to ridicule my statement in another thread that International RL couold learn a lot from the IRB.........I would suggest that the figures above and the fact that the cheapest tickets at these Union games were at least 33% higher than the League Tickets for the 4 nations would point to League needing to learn from the IRB......
...PUT SIMPLY. If England had won the 4 nations tournament this year.....what match would have got more media coverage.......the final or the kick and clap at Twickenham?
I expect some stupid response from you now, either harkking back to some event in 1936 when 250,000 people crammed into a ground to watch RL.....or to be called ARLT Union Troll or something else equally unwitty....this is because as usual, you bring nothing to a debate about International Sport and its standing as a global entity.....I even expect to get a link to viewing figures that show nobody watched the Union in Australia........but the simple fact is that 1 weekend of Union playing international matches, with nothing at stake generated over twice as many fans than an entire tournament of League played over 4 weeks....and I would estimate that the revenues earned from the games was in the region of 50 quid a ticket....15,000,000........how much will the 4 nations make?
Still say the IRB isn't a good business model to copy from?'"
Ramble, ramble, union, union, droll, droll, union, union, ramble, ramble...
Thanks again. Stopped reading at "Twickenham" when I realised it was your usual post just regurgitated. For about the thousandth time.
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| Quote ="Dico"You're looking a pretty big idiot here.
Such a response is simply because you're so emphatically wrong there is nowhere else to turn, even the nazi line has passed you'"
Go SBW, Ashton, Hape etc.
All struggling...
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| Quote ="Old Darlin"icon_lol.gif
Go SBW, Ashton, Hape etc.
All struggling...'"
Your own mantra is that Union is a terrible game, so why wouldn't a league convert do well?
You continue to be shown up on here as nothing but a poor impersonation of a wind-up-merchant....you add nothing to debate. You started this thread expecting to get a nibble...you got one, but, instead of reasoned debate, you resort to name calling.
Sooner the mods figure out that you bring nothing to the boards and send you back to where you came from the better.
I repeat.....International RL is a shambles and needs to be sorted out from top to bottom. Whilst there are potentially 10 soccer teams that can win the FIFA World Cup & 6 teams the RUWC there are only 2 teams currently capable of contesting for the title of best international League team.......and the players from both those teams (bar 1) all play in the Australian Domestic League.
International RL needs to run more comps such as the recent European one on a yearly basis....same for the pacific islands. Only through regular games for emerging nations can the game hope to ever become a true International Sport. I would even bin PNG from the 4 nations.....go back to tri-nations and let the rest play catch up.
I would also sort out, once and for all, the ridiculous country swapping that goes on...Whatever your first passport says on the cover....that's who you play for!
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| GF why bother?
Just dont bite.
He got banned on the old user name, Gijou or something (it was a while ago) iirc, so if he carries on getting shown up and resorting to name calling it wont be long before hes back off again.
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| Quote ="Dico"GF why bother?
Just dont bite.
He got banned on the old user name, Gijou or something (it was a while ago) iirc, so if he carries on getting shown up and resorting to name calling it wont be long before hes back off again.'"
He writes differently to Gijou.......are you sure?
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| I could be wrong but i'd hedge 50 quid on it
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| Quote ="Dico"I could be wrong but i'd hedge 50 quid on it'"
But he writes me such nice little notes
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| hahahahaha ask tb, im sure he'd confirm/deny
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| We'd have gotten more in Eden Park.
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"We'd have gotten more in Eden Park.'"
even if it WAS raining
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| derp alert
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| I see this thread I started is filling up with all the usual suspects...
lol
Regrettable to see the steady improvement in international rugby league causing people distress...very negative lives they must lead. Real glass half empty types.
Have a smile
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| Quote ="Old Darlin"I Regrettable to see the steady improvement in international rugby league causing people distress'"
Hardly.....I get paid actually MORE if it grows.........just being realistic.
I repeat, International RL is a shambles.....look at the games being played at the moment betwen USA, Canada and Jamaica.......the RLIF has nothing to do with them and the European Fed is helping them out........no structure, the ARL too busy looking after their own interests......the whole international game needs to be restructured......and control taken away from the ARL...........until then, it wil stagnate and simply try things that will work in Australia with no care or concept for the global picture.
When you leave primary school, then High School, then get a job, you will understand what "realistic" means.....until then, you will continue to attempt the impossible.........convince people you know what you are talking about when in fact you only know what you've been told
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| derpy derp derp derpity derp
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| Quote ="Old Darlin"derpy derp derp derpity derp'"
and you told Dully messenger you'd swallow....another lie
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| derpity derp derp
Lucky you are close to the mods.
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| Quote ="Old Darlin"derpity derp derp
Lucky you are close to the mods.'"
eh? Close to the Mods? I am 12,500 miles away from the mods and haven't met any of them in person? I don't form relationships with people on-line........prefer the old fashioned way myself. Are you suggesting you are holding back because you think the mods will defend me????? You are a sad chappy aren't you.
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| Keep thrashing derpy...
lol
You are one obsessed stalker.
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| hahahaha what a thread.
THEE definition of someone looking utterly retarded; and it aint Gutterfax
eijhndfkbkfvkfvbdffdkjbfkvbfvdkjfbdvkjbfvjkbvdfjkbfvkbfj <-- see we can all tpe sh*t
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| Quote ="Dico"hahahaha what a thread.
[size=150THEE[/size definition of someone looking utterly retarded; and it aint Gutterfax
eijhndfkbkfvkfvbdffdkjbfkvbfvdkjfbdvkjbfvjkbvdfjkbfvkbfj <-- see we can all [size=150tpe[/size sh*t'"
I see. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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| no worries
As for the first one.. can tell you aren't a northern English boy cant you
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| Unlike mackenzie and his shark fin soup.
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| Enough - thread totally derailed beyond any discussion of rugby league in favour of playground taunting. I seem to recall having this problem before. Let's see if I can recall how I ended it…
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