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| Quote ="Tharg The Mighty"Four things are certain.
Hardaker deserves a lengthy ban.
Hardaker needs as much help as the RFL can give.
Castleford need a new full back.
There are some unbelievable numpties on this forum.'"
Why!
Why does this selfish loser deserve any help at all - ffs when will people make other people take responsibility for their own actions - it's pathetic.
There are tons of players who navigate their way through RL life never needing a first chance let alone a forth.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Was that the second sample or, did results on both samples come through at the same time.
I understood that there was usually an initial finding and that this was then followed up on a test of the "B" sample, which, if found to have the same content, would lead to action and this is what happened on the Thursday.
When do the player, club and RFL find out that there is/was a problem with the "A" sample ?'"
Could be either, although I'd suspect 'A', from the information provided on the UKAD website:
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A provisional suspension can only be imposed if the athlete is given either:
• an opportunity for a provisional hearing
• an opportunity for an expedited hearing."
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Where the Notice of Charge is based on an Adverse Analytical Finding, the athlete has the right to request analysis of the B-Sample.
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But whichever, you can absolutely guarantee that they've followed procedure to the letter.
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| Quote ="vastman"I agree it's total liberal claptrap which as ever panders to the lowest common denominator.
The Philippines had a drug problem now apparently it doesn't - wonder why. Oh and believe me I am advocating the same for the UK and those gutters known as Europe and the USA.'"
WTF are you going on about?
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| Quote ="DGM"You could do with reading up on the overwhelmingly positive effects legalisation & regulation have had in Portugal since 2001.
Do you have any basis, facts or supporting evidence for your "biggest slippery slope of all Time" comment?'"
Published by who exactly ie which vested interest - there is no evidence legalisation works - do people like you think that Americans get any less drunk now than they did during prohibition! Foolish nonsense.
Drugs are bad unless they are being used to cure an illness under medical supervision - a five year old could work that out. The real question that needs sorting is why do you want or need them.
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| Quote ="vastman"Published by who exactly ie which vested interest - there is no evidence legalisation works - do people like you think that Americans get any less drunk now than they did during prohibition! Foolish nonsense.
Drugs are bad unless they are being used to cure an illness under medical supervision - a five year old could work that out. The real question that needs sorting is why do you want or need them.'"
You are so incredibly ignorant, that there's no response anyone could give to these inane, baseless ramblings of yours, that would ever help to open your mind even slightly. Go read some actual facts, reports, evidence & get back to us.
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Cocaine is a horrible, harmful drug that causes misery throughout the production cycle and well beyond the people that end up taking it.
That's why it should be legalised and regulated, not left to criminals to control - that's how it gets into the hands of anyone who wants it.
As for Hardaker. Personally I think recreational drugs shouldn't carry the same punishment as performance enhancing ones (as cocaine isn't performance enhancing regardless of what some on here bizarrely make up), however the fact is that it does, and Hardaker knew that when taking it, so he deserves to pay that price.'"
For the umpteenth time: WADA (whose assessment I'd take over yours any day of the week) classify cocaine as a [istimulant[/i for the purposes of in-competition testing (that is over the period from 12hrs before the start, to the end of an event). Recreational, legal, illegal doesn't come into it.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"For the umpteenth time: WADA (whose assessment I'd take over yours any day of the week) classify cocaine as a [istimulant[/i for the purposes of in-competition testing (that is over the period from 12hrs before the start, to the end of an event). Recreational, legal, illegal doesn't come into it.'"
Absolutely correct sir, and I'm amazed that this still hasn't sunk in to some on here. We have gone through all this before with Hock, Barba, etc and their different punishments and still some are too dense to work it out.
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| Quote ="vastman"Published by who exactly ie which vested interest - there is no evidence legalisation works'"
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.htmlLiterally the first Google search result.[/url
[url=https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroinMore recent information[/url - Portugal's approach commended by the INCB.
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| Quote ="Towns88"You think a harmful and dangerous class A drug should be legalised ? Wow. What am i reading ?'"
I'm with you, I think it's best left in the hands of criminals and suitably militarized law enforcement, that seems to be working out well for everyone.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"For the umpteenth time: WADA (whose assessment I'd take over yours any day of the week) classify cocaine as a [istimulant[/i for the purposes of in-competition testing (that is over the period from 12hrs before the start, to the end of an event). Recreational, legal, illegal doesn't come into it.'"
It is sad to see the pro legalisation brigade using this as a call for legalisation. As you say, WADA treats cocaine in pretty much the same way that they treat caffeine with the exeption that some caffeine is allowed. They do not think in moral or legal terms but in terms of influence on performance. They do not go down the route of arguing cause, and neither should they. An pro sportsman or woman is held responsible for what goes into their bodies. I would hate to see young players being told that there were ways around this and to be encouraged to experiment.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why!
Why does this selfish loser deserve any help at all - ffs when will people make other people take responsibility for their own actions - it's pathetic.
There are tons of players who navigate their way through RL life never needing a first chance let alone a forth.'"
Typical response from a thoroughly nasty man like yourself
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| Quote ="Levrier"It is sad to see the pro legalisation brigade using this as a call for legalisation. As you say, WADA treats cocaine in pretty much the same way that they treat caffeine with the exeption that some caffeine is allowed. They do not think in moral or legal terms but in terms of influence on performance. They do not go down the route of arguing cause, and neither should they. An pro sportsman or woman is held responsible for what goes into their bodies. I would hate to see young players being told that there were ways around this and to be encouraged to experiment.'"
I don't think anyone has done that; there are two discussions going on here - one about Hardaker, who seems to be universally regarded as an idiot for taking a substance that is on the WADA list - and another about the broader picture around drugs and our attitude and approach to them.
Whether Cocaine was legal or not, I wouldn't expect it to come off the WADA list; it would stay, along with the other legal substances that are on there, because they are considered to be PE.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Typical response from a thoroughly nasty man like yourself
Regards
King James'"
Vasty is right in my opinion.
He has only himself to blame, if he wants to snort that crap then fine.
He knew what he was doing, knew the consequences and still threw his possible RL career away.
In a nutshell, what an idiot
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"Vasty is right in my opinion.
He has only himself to blame, if he wants to snort that crap then fine.
He knew what he was doing, knew the consequences and still threw his possible RL career away.
In a nutshell, what an idiot'"
I ageee- too many people in society don't /won't take responsibility for their actions or choices.
He knew the risks- he gambled and got caught. Just tough.
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| Hardaker is a victim, he needs our love and support.
Is Adam walker getting everyone's love and support, the victim that he is?
Oh wait, he's not as talented as hardaker.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Typical response from a thoroughly nasty man like yourself
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You were saying the same thing the other day
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Well said, to put cocaine in the same category as alcohol is stupid, you can have 2-3 drinks (units etc) of alcohol just for enjoyment taste etc,With it having hardly any effect. You can't do this with cocaine, it's an instant and very effective hit.
I have used recreational drugs in my life pretty regular when younger, in clouding cocaine twice. And never again would I use it and absolutely condemn it it, its an awful drug, it leads to violence aggression like nothing else, it will be and should always be class A. They way kids use this alongside masssive amounts of alcohol that they would not normally be able to consume is dangerous and is the biggest cause of violence on nights out.
It's not at all like ecstasy, a euphoric drug or cannabis a relaxant or even amphetamines which have a longer but milder effect but similar to cocaine, this is bad poop, and needs stamping out.'"
“Leads to violence and aggression like nothing else”... LOAD OF RUBBISH!
You can use cocaine whilst chilling at home listening to music and gives you a nice mellow feeling if you let it. It’s suits the mood of the environment and takes the lead of the people using it, not leads the people.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Hardaker is a victim, he needs our love and support.
Is Adam walker getting everyone's love and support, the victim that he is?
Oh wait, he's not as talented as hardaker.'"
A victim??? , are you for real.
An idiot who is old enough to know better.
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| Quote ="Willzay"You were saying the same thing the other day
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No I didn't. I said he was an idiot. I did not in any way say he shouldn't get any support if he has a problem
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Hardaker is a victim, he needs our love and support.
Is Adam walker getting everyone's love and support, the victim that he is?
Oh wait, he's not as talented as hardaker.'"
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| Quote ="Lebron James"No I didn't. I said he was an idiot. I did not in any way say he shouldn't get any support if he has a problem
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Is there support out there for people who are idiots?
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| Quote ="jools"Is there support out there for people who are idiots?'"
An answer he should surely know?
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| Quote ="vastman"
The Philippines had a drug problem now apparently it doesn't - wonder why. Oh and believe me I am advocating the same for the UK and those gutters known as Europe and the USA.'"
I live in The Philippines and we still have a massive drug problem. Plus a lot of dead people, some of whom might have been involved in drugs. What the President has done is to give the green light to shooting anyone you don't like and then tossing a piece of cardboard with the words "drug addict" onto the body; there will be a minimum of investigation takes place.
So no, you wouldn't want it in the UK.
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| Quote ="alleycat"I live in The Philippines and we still have a massive drug problem. Plus a lot of dead people, some of whom might have been involved in drugs. What the President has done is to give the green light to shooting anyone you don't like and then tossing a piece of cardboard with the words "drug addict" onto the body; there will be a minimum of investigation takes place.
So no, you wouldn't want it in the UK.'"
There would be loads of shot addicts in peoples back gardens/houses and sheds while they are in the process of financing their vile habit.
Would be less real "victims" of drug taking.
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| Quote ="bren2k"[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.htmlLiterally the first Google search result.[/url
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Just like the gun laws in Australia, there was a drop in gun related deaths due to other interventions aside from tightening the law regards automatic weapons that actually had by far the greatest difference.
From TRANSFORM one of the voices regards drug controls.
"However, such improvements are not solely the result of the decriminalisation policy; Portugal’s shift towards a more health-centred approach to drugs, as well as wider health and social policy changes, are equally, if not more, responsible for the positive changes observed."
"Portugal complemented its policy of decriminalisation by allocating greater resources across the drugs field, expanding and improving prevention, treatment, harm reduction and social reintegration programmes. The introduction of these measures coincided with an expansion of the Portuguese welfare state, which included a guaranteed minimum income. While decriminalisation played an important role, it is likely that the positive outcomes described below would not have been achieved without these wider health and social reforms"
The mentioned deaths of 3 per million is due to OVERDOSING in ADULTS ON THE STREET, not long term use, not those considered to be under adult age and yet comparisons are made to total deaths from all drug related deaths before decriminalisation, again, this is yet more statistical massaging. Sure for families of those that were drug users this is a good thing, however the supposed drop of 80 overdose deaths as per your link to 30 over a 15/16 year period is in my honest opinion NOT significant, you will also note that there has being a doubling of overdose deaths from 2012 to 2015 12 reported in 2012 to 3 per million in 2015 (Portugal pop circa 10M). what are the figures for all years, either overdose on the street or deaths from drug use overall? In a country that already had historically low deaths comparative to other EU states at the time of decriminalisation and comparing rates by country from 2001 to 2016/17 is just wrong/misrepresents the facts.
Also, aside from the stated change in how drug use was addressed from a health POV and access to health treatment changed massively, you also have the fact that the Portuguese economy had being in freefall for much of the last 25 years, of the last few years that has recovered quite a lot, employment rates are up, manufacturing and low grade employment wages are up, more people in work means fewer people taking drugs, this is a known fact.
So, yes, the headline figure from the latest results is a drop but drug deaths were already at/or below the EU average back in 2001 BEFORE decriminalisation and other interventions and economy has by far a greater effect than simply decriminalisation in itself. To believe that decriminalisation would work in any given country is patently not backed up by actual facts.
HTH
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