He has, really stood up tonight.

Pardon my ignorance, but who does Griffin play for? And why is he in the team?

He's got no pace considering he's a back.

He was running, its just his legs are too short.

Shenton or Graham MOM for me.

I disagree.

He isnt the reason we have lost, however, he has been very poor, especially at the play the ball area.

England havent played well, but the fact is that it should have been 18-16, rather than 24-10. England would have then had all the momentum going into the last 10 minutes, rather than chasing 3 tries.

We've looked better with Brown and Robbo in the halves and Tomkins at full back.

Maybe Brown in the halves with Widdop against Australia? Or Bring Lunt in at hooker and Brown with Robbo.

Roby for me.

Exactly, this blaming it on the ref is delusional. We have been convincingly beat even if the scoreline doesnt suggest that.

Huddersfield and because we are short of prop forwards.

Of all the reasons why England have been shocking - the referee isnt on the 1st 50 pages!

Change the record fella its embarrassing

i said on page 1 or 2 they would put 50 on us.
ok we ve lost but have played ok in parts particularily in the 2nd half where with a bit more luck we could have snatched a victory.

Sure blame the ref.

You will never improve that way...

Marshall for MOM. Graham been Englands best.

MOM! They all need to send a public apology for being pathetic!

50 points was never going to happen as I said earlier.

England lost this themselves for all the same reasons as the last 30 years to be honest.

Spot on. It doesnt matter how poor we have been but the fact is the scoreline is incorrect.

Well beaten by a NZ team that really haven't performed that well IMO.

Dreading next week.

Typical Aussie ref down under, no 50/50 calls at all and the ptb area is pretty much different worlds.

it is already less embarrassing than the 2008 World Cup.

Not blaming the ref, just saying they've been poor, along with England. Are you not allowed to criticise referees?

Many bookies gave us 14 start. I hope those who backed us got on with the one or two who gave 16.

Plus for future reference you just need to give Eastwood a little push to get him on floor. No need for big shoulder hits!

Yet again we get ripped apart far too easy down the sides.

Sprinters talk about getting a high leg lift to get maximum speed. I guess when your legs are the same length as a chickens its pretty tough.