THAT is the definition of a new low for you..
You should spend less time watching Leigh and more time watching these players actually play.
Roby's the only one that gets anywhere near.

You're the one claiming Buderus's [upast[/u playing performances in some way justify his signing whereas signing other players with their best years ahead of them is not justified, I think you are the only supporter of any club who would complain if they has signed Dobson two years ago given his consistently good and frequently excellent performances for Rovers over these last two years.

Overall this season Buderus has been no better than any other player at Leeds English, Aussie or Kiwi.

Lovegrove was Rovers players player of the season this year, this suggests that real players have a different opinion of his worth to your good self.



Which player would you drop for Ratu? One of those well known mediocre Aussies Cockayne or Welham?

Fine you think Donald is a top quality player. I dont, i think he is a middling NRL player and the game in this country wouldnt lose anything by playing Lee Smith and Ryan Hall ahead of him. It would be my personal choice, and would have been for the past three years to play Lee Smith and Ryan Hall ahead of Donald because i beleive they are better players.


i have said consistantly that a team like Hull KR could drop 2 or 3 of their 10 overseas players and find a british player to replace them and the league would suffer no drop, or a negligable drop in quality. Wigan could do so also.



Scott Donald-----Lee Smith
Kylie Lueluai-----Luke Ambler
Ben Fisher-----Paul McShane,
Rhys Lovegrove-----Liam Higgins
Blake Green------Greg Mcnally/kyle wood
Shad Royston------Danny Addy/Vinnie Finigan
Charlie Leeano-------Kyle Bibb
Mitchell Sargaent----Jacob Emmitt
Michael Korkidas------Ben Gledhill/kyle amor
Cameron Phelps-----Karl Pryce/Josh Charnley
Phil Bailey-----Tuson/Mossop/Farrell
Damien Blanch-----James Davey/Sak Hardaker
Jason Demetriou---Danny Allan
Maurie Fa'asavalu----Sean Maggennis
Willie Talau-----Ash Gibson/Ste Tyrer
Epalahame Lauaki------Anyone, Mike Burnett/Dane Manning,
James Evans----Joe Arundel/mike coady


there is half of them there for you off the top of my head who have shown they can, or deserve the opportunity to show they can do the job their equivelant overseas player does.


was it, im think you are doing a disservice to Clarkson there. He is in there on merit, not potential,

what else would you suggest a player is judged on other than his performances?


when they arent particularly good yes, it isnt justified.
i have no problem with you having Dobson, its having Dobson AND Fisher AND Green AND Lovergrove AND Galea AND Newton AND Webster AND Mason AND Vella AND Clinton


That just simply isnt true

it suggests the best player at a mid-table side isnt particularly good.

Jake Webster you bloody idiot

FWIW, Huddersfield had just 3 overseas players in the 17 on Saturday night

including 2 signed from the lower leagues,

well done huddersfield, They are a acting as a top quality template for 'smaller' clubs in how they should be run, many of them should take note

Spot on they have follwed the RFL blueprint for the future

Find somebody very rich

But it's not about replacing Donald with Smith or Hall is it? They're already playing. It's about replacing Scott Donald with either Kallum Watkins out of position on the wing or with Tom Bush. That is most definitely a drop in standards.


No what you said was

You're confusing yourself here aren't you?




Indeed, and half of them are already playing regularly in SL. They can't play in 2 positions at the same time now can they. The other half are virtually untried, for instance you've suggested Coady who's made 1 appearance in SL and 6 Championship appearances this season and you expect him to play every single week in SL and there be no drop in quality. Also Danny Allan to replace Jason Demetriou? You're just making yourself look silly now.


He is now yes, which is not what I said was it. I said there was a drop in standards at first which there was, unless you now think Clarkson is a better winger than Ryan Hall.

So are we playing 3 wingers or is this massive drop in quality down to the fact we would have Kallum Watkins or Tom Bush as cover? Are you really arguing that it is an unacceptable drop in quality to have Kallum Watkins as Leeds first choice back up rather than Scott Donald?


there will be a drop in quality, it just wont be that big.


indeed they are, its asking young british players who have been first reserve to step and replace fairly average overseas players and give them a chance as first choice, again not a huge drop in quality


no, but then James Evans has only played 8 games this year. Do I think Mike Coady could play 8 games of SL in a year and it not result in a massive drop in quality for the league, I certainly do, it would be nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Not all the overseas players i have listed are first choice players, they are reserves which is where the untried players will get that experience, they will then move forward to be first choice. But this wont happen if we instead bring in 24 year old Australian reserve graders.

Yeah, Demetriou has been fantastic at Loose hasnt he? thats probably why he isnt being released and cant get another gig in SL he is so good.
Leeds, Clarkson, and as such SL have certainly benefitted more from Clarkson getting a shot on the wing due to injuries. Certainly more than if Leeds had employed a second middle of the road thirty year old Australian winger as cover just in case Hall, Donald and Watkins were injured

And you miss the point that had Clarkson not been given the chance, had Leeds decided to go pick up a Charlie Leeano or a Blake Green insterad of trusting Clarkson he would never have got the opportunity to prove his worth and to earn his place on merit.

If he was as poor as you suggest then Rovers wouldn't even be a mid table side.





Is this the same Jake Webster who's only played 14 games this season?







Try again Smokey.

Its irrelevant.
There's no need to employ Jake Webster

What?

I think Celtic have proved this year a team of solely NRL reserve graders can reach the play-offs, something most teams should be pretty embarrssed about to be honest

It is, the same Jake Webster that despite injury has still played more games at centre than the player you seem to think is a first choice centre in Cockayne, Jake Webster, the Kiwi one

Ben Cockayne has played a whole 7 games at centre this season you clown



And if you dont need him, get rid of him rather than giving him another 2 year deal, or will Ratu still be being 'developed' at 24 like Mariano?

Indeed, a mediocre side like Rovers beat Leeds home and away this season, food for thought eh?

What with all these world class English youngsters Leeds are bringing through, it sure takes some explaining!



If Webster has been injured for months it's not Webster that's keeping Ratu out of the team is it?

Ratu has also been injured for months. When neither were injured Webster played 14 games and Ratu 2



keep clutching at those straws

What point are you trying to make here?

That when fit, Webster kept Ratu out of the Hull KR side, i didnt think it was a particularly complex or controversial point, Barnacle Bill seems to disagree

Maybe it's because he's right and you're wrong.

So you agree Ratu has been injured for months explaining why he couldn't even be considered to play let alone play, yet you choose to seize on the fact Ratu hasn't played much as some kind of stick to beat Rovers with.

You then think it strange that a former New Zealand international (still only 26, hardly past his prime) has been selected more when both were available? What world do you live in Smokey?

When Ratu did play, did he really take his chance in the way Welham had previously in your opinion? After seeing his first few games did he really leave Morgan no option but to select him ahead of Webster?







Give it a rest Smokey, you're getting nowhere with this one.

Ratu played early in the season got injured then came back played a few games and was injured again. Ratu wasn't fit for more then 5 or 6 games this year.

But he wouldnt have played anyway, Webster would.

So is Jake Webster a first choice centre or not? Considering he has played 11 games this year for you at centre (out of 14) and Cockayne only 7(out of 23) so your point about playing Cockayne and Welham was disingenuous.

Just as it is to claim Ratu is a player you have brought through when at 22 there is a player you expect to be picked ahead of him, who has just signed a new contract.

Wrong, Ratu was going to be the starting centre in the very first game of the season with Webster at 6, Sadly he did a hamstring in the very last training session before the game.

Once fit he played against Huddersfield in round 3 and suffered a reoccurance of said Hamstring injury.

Again once he had recovered he played in the reserves as by this point he'd played once in ten weeks and had no match fitness, came in for the injured Welham in round 13 and then replaced the injured Webster in rounds 17, 18 and 19 before getting injured again


Oh and congratulations on Murrell, Fox and Watts on making the England train on squad, although no doubt they will have been England players long before Hull KR had anything to do with it no doubt

No, the problem here is you failing to accept that:

1. It is more likely that a former NZ International (still only 26 years old, hardly a has been) might be selected than an unproven player (regardless of nationality) given that you don't get selected for NZ by accident.

2. If Ratu had taken his chance, as Welham did, then it is most likely he would have kept the centre spot (the precendent is there with Welham)

3. With Ratu being injured for large parts of the season he could not have been selected in any event, but had he been fit he would probably have been kept out by Cockayne anyway (who has had another good season for Rovers).

By the way, I thought you wanted Rovers to sign "proven" Aussie/Kiwi players or have you changed your mind on that one too now?

anyone care to list all SL clubs squads (confirmed for 2011) Highlighting the overseas passports on offer......regardless of grandparent ruling.....just where they were born.
Odds are, Quins will have 3.....HKA will have 11

but we are a sham

Start a thread fax.