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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"thats hardly a proud list after 10 years is it, one quality player and 5 pretty average ones,
but well done to the youngsters of Wakefield for winning, you now have the even tougher challenge of breaking into the first team, many many youngsters have been where you are now, the vast majority of them you will never have heard of, the vast majority will be doing something other than being professional RL players
if Wakefield get three or four top class youngsters out of this side, if they can get 3 or 4 demanding places in their side then this will have been worth it,
if they all follow the general path, make 10 or 20 appearances and disappear it will have been a waste of time,
the object of academy rugby is to produce professional players, not win tin pot trophies'"
I understand your point about getting players to 1st team level but with regard to the five players named, well that certainly wasn't an exhaustive list, hence the etc etc etc. which you chose to ignore.
My original post was in response to:
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Good to see that you actually have a youth policy now.'"
which kind of insinuates that we have only just begun to produce players through our academy.
Wakefield Trinity have always produced players from their junior system, world record points scorer Neil Fox being a notable one.
In the photo I posted earlier, there are a number of players who went on to play first-team football most notably Gary Spencer and Billy Conway.
I'm not professing that Wakefield Trinity produce more Senior players than any other club I was only defending the point that we've always produced good quality juniors unfortunately we don't always enjoy the fruits of that development.
Let's hope we can hang on to some of these fantastic young players as they develop their professional careers.
ps. Thanks Al, I'll take your comment as a huge compliment.
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| Quote ="The Clan"I understand your point about getting players to 1st team level but with regard to the five players named, well that certainly wasn't an exhaustive list, hence the etc etc etc. which you chose to ignore.
My original post was in response to:
which kind of insinuates that we have only just begun to produce players through our academy.'"
where are they then? you have named 6, thats hardly something to be proud of after over 10 years,
where are the rest? these regular super league players developed by Wakefield trinity?
Quote Wakefield Trinity have always produced players from their junior system, world record points scorer Neil Fox being a notable one.
In the photo I posted earlier, there are a number of players who went on to play first-team football most notably Gary Spencer and Billy Conway.'" thats from 25 years ago
Quote I'm not professing that Wakefield Trinity produce more Senior players than any other club I was only defending the point that we've always produced good quality juniors unfortunately we don't always enjoy the fruits of that development. '"
then you dont have good Junior Development then do you? if you arent producing what you should be, then you arent good at what your doing
Quote Let's hope we can hang on to some of these fantastic young players as they develop their professional careers.'" lets hope they develop professional careers first,
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"where are they then? you have named 6, thats hardly something to be proud of after over 10 years,'"
Are you just pretending or are you really this thick?
Do all the players we have produced still have to be playing super league to fit your criteria of development.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"where are the rest? these regular super league players developed by Wakefield trinity?'"
Do you honestly believe that Wakefield Trinity have only produced six players who have gone on to play at super league level?
If so then you obviously aren't pretending to be thick, if not then do your own research cos I'm not going to do it for you.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"
thats from 25 years ago'"
No $h!t Sherlock!
Go back and read my post and see why that answer was included.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"
then you dont have good Junior Development then do you? if you arent producing what you should be, then you arent good at what your doing'"
Jeez! The reason why we don't always enjoy the fruits of our development system is because bigger more predatory clubs like Leeds come along and tempt many of our home-grown players away from the club.
How on earth does that translate into us (Trinity) not having a good Jr development?
Quote ="SmokeyTA"
lets hope they develop professional careers first,'"
yes! Let's hope they do develop professional careers, just the same as any other junior produced by any other club!
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| Quote ="The Clan"You mean other than the one thats produced Gareth Ellis, Ben Westwood, Danny Brough, Steve Snitch, Chris Feather, Keith Mason etc..etc.. etc...'"
And ferguson, pitts, george, bibb, morton.
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| Well done on having the 5th best academy Wakefield.
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| Quote ="pyeman"And ferguson, pitts, george, bibb, morton.'"
Thank You!
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| Quote ="CAM."Well done on having the 5th best academy Wakefield.'"
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| Quote ="pyeman"And ferguson, pitts, george, bibb, morton.'"
George was one of ours.
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| Quote ="CAM."[size=200¿[/size'"
aaahh!
Now I understand
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| Quote ="The Clan"Are you just pretending or are you really this thick?
Do all the players we have produced still have to be playing super league to fit your criteria of development.'"
no, nobody has said that, what a strange thing to make up!
no but they need to be regular starters in super league squads over a sustained period of time
Quote Do you honestly believe that Wakefield Trinity have only produced six players who have gone on to play at super league level?
If so then you obviously aren't pretending to be thick, if not then do your own research cos I'm not going to do it for you.'"
no, but i dont think they have produced a huge amount more, who would be regular starters in SL squads for sustained periods of time,
Quote No $h!t Sherlock!
Go back and read my post and see why that answer was included.'"
because you were trying to prove wakefield had always had good youth development, your best examples were neil fox and a couple of players from 25 years ago
Quote Jeez! The reason why we don't always enjoy the fruits of our development system is because bigger more predatory clubs like Leeds come along and tempt many of our home-grown players away from the club.'"
like Ellis and Pitts? i wonder how many players developed by Leeds a more predatory club like wakefield has had over the past few years?
i did wonder how long it would take you to blame somebody else
Quote How on earth does that translate into us (Trinity) not having a good Jr development?'" because you arent developing players who will go onto play for the senior side, this is the point of youth development, if you arent doing it, you arent very good at it,
but after all, you did produce Gareth Ellis, in ten years, that means you have done well doesnt it?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no, nobody has said that, what a strange thing to make up!
no but they need to be regular starters in super league squads over a sustained period of time
no, but i dont think they have produced a huge amount more, who would be regular starters in SL squads for sustained periods of time,
because you were trying to prove wakefield had always had good youth development, your best examples were neil fox and a couple of players from 25 years ago
like Ellis and Pitts? i wonder how many players developed by Leeds a more predatory club like wakefield has had over the past few years?
i did wonder how long it would take you to blame somebody else
because you arent developing players who will go onto play for the senior side, this is the point of youth development, if you arent doing it, you arent very good at it,
but after all, you did produce Gareth Ellis, in ten years, that means you have done well doesnt it?'"
Dont pitts, brough, snitch, bibb, george, morton and ferguson count as players that have played for the senior side this season?
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| Quote ="The Clan"aaahh!
Now I understand'"
I'm glad you agree.
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Quote ="pyeman"Dont pitts, brough, snitch, bibb, george, morton and ferguson count as players that have played for the senior side this season?'"
Luke George was from our academy FWIW.
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/luke ... 02054.html
Quote Previous clubs: Huddersfield Giants'"
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Luke George was from our academy FWIW.
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/luke ... 02054.html
Quote Previous clubs: Huddersfield Giants'"
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Ah didnt know that, in the same way i imagine very few know that lunt was from ours.
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Ah didnt know that, in the same way i imagine very few know that lunt was from ours.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Dont pitts, brough, snitch, bibb, george, morton and ferguson count as players that have played for the senior side this season?'"
considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no, nobody has said that, what a strange thing to make up!
no but they need to be regular starters in super league squads over a sustained period of time
no, but i dont think they have produced a huge amount more, who would be regular starters in SL squads for sustained periods of time,
because you were trying to prove wakefield had always had good youth development, your best examples were neil fox and a couple of players from 25 years ago
like Ellis and Pitts? i wonder how many players developed by Leeds a more predatory club like wakefield has had over the past few years?
i did wonder how long it would take you to blame somebody else
because you arent developing players who will go onto play for the senior side, this is the point of youth development, if you arent doing it, you arent very good at it,
but after all, you did produce Gareth Ellis, in ten years, that means you have done well doesnt it?'"
The difference between a predatory club and a club which signs players who have been released from another club is obvious!
Wakefield have produced players via the junior system every season for as long as I can remember!
Some seasons being better than others but we've always produced players!
If you want a definitive list I'm not going to provide it for you!
However the evidence and the facts are out there for you to find, so if you want to know go find them!
There are many I assure you! Happy hunting
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"considering George came from Hudds, and Pitts is now at Leeds, and Bibb from Hull and then sent to HKR, Brough not going through Wakefields academy system to first team, but from wakefields academy around the houses, making his name at Hull, before moving to Cas then finally being a first team regular at Wakefield,
and considering Morton has played a grand total of three games in his career, no they dont count as players who wakefield have taken through the academy system, in to regular first team players
Ferguson does though'"
In your opinion
you are a joker!
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| Quote ="CAM."Well done on having the 5th best academy Wakefield.'"
If you want to be constantly contentious at least try and make sense.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"If you want to be constantly contentious at least try and make sense.'"
What?
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| Quote ="The Clan"The difference between a predatory club and a club which signs players who have been released from another club is obvious!'"
yes, one club realises the reality of players moving clubs, the other wants to portray itself as a victim to big bullys rather than get itself sorted
Quote Wakefield have produced players via the junior system every season for as long as I can remember!
Some seasons being better than others but we've always produced players!
If you want a definitive list I'm not going to provide it for you!
However the evidence and the facts are out there for you to find, so if you want to know go find them!
There are many I assure you! Happy hunting'"
no, its your assertion, its your job to back it up with evidence, if you dont have it, you dont have it, and it shows that your argument was based on nothing more than what you would like to be true, rather than what is
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| Quote ="The Clan"In your opinion
you are a joker!'"
err yes, it is only my opinion that players who didnt come through wakefields youth academy didnt come through wakefields youth academy
that and a self evident statement
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, one club realises the reality of players moving clubs, the other wants to portray itself as a victim to big bullys rather than get itself sorted
no, its your assertion, its your job to back it up with evidence, if you dont have it, you dont have it, and it shows that your argument was based on nothing more than what you would like to be true, rather than what is'"
No it shows that I do not want to become involved in a long protracted argument with some non entity who only wants to believe what he/she believes and won't be told any different.
As I said, if you are so interested then go and do the homework yourself.
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| Quote ="CAM."What?'"
Back at ya bitch.
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| Quote ="The Clan"No it shows that I do not want to become involved in a long protracted argument with some non entity who only wants to believe what he/she believes and won't be told any different.
As I said, if you are so interested then go and do the homework yourself.'"
its not my assertion, Im not going to go to the trouble of doing your work, for you,
if your argument was backed up by evidence you would have it, you clearly dont so why not just admit it?
if you knew for a fact there was many more players than the six you listed, you would know who they were
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