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he'd be federation trained i assume rather than homegrown
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Surely if he's born here and only left 4 years ago he's still British? Unless he has surrendered his UK passport.
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| Quote ="jim00"If he still holds, or has a right to, a UK passport then he is not an 'overseas player'.'"
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Yes but he could never be a 'homegrown' player.
Id imagine he'd be same as Gleeson, in fact its exactly the same.. whats gleeson come under?
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| Quote ="Dico"Yes but he could never be a 'homegrown' player.
Id imagine he'd be same as Gleeson, in fact its exactly the same.. whats gleeson come under?'"
Both the Gleeson sisters and young Widdles were all born in ENGLAND.
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Passports and nationality have noting to do with it. That system was abandoned after certain clubs took the proverbial urine with Kolpak signings and Aussies who had great, great ancestors that they could use as a ticket to an EU passport.
IIRC, he has to have been registered with a UK club for three consecutive years between the ages of 16 and 21 to be considered a "federation trained" player. The fact he has a UK passport doesn't come into it.
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Whoops Barry!!! Wrong again!!!
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Whoops Barry!!! Wrong again!!!'"
More irrelevent than wrong |
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Fair point, I just like pointing out when he's talking 'the proverbial'.
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| Quote ="Hopie"More irrelevent than wrong'"
 Why does he keep on posting bo11ocks though,it's like he can't help himself or is he a troll.  |
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I honestly think that he believes he's this wierd oracle of Rugby League. What he actually is I can't say in case a Mod tells me off again!
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Passports and nationality have noting to do with it. That system was abandoned after certain clubs took the proverbial urine with Kolpak signings and Aussies who had great, great ancestors that they could use as a ticket to an EU passport.
IIRC, he has to have been registered with a UK club for three consecutive years between the ages of 16 and 21 to be considered a "federation trained" player. The fact he has a UK passport doesn't come into it.'"
There are extenuating circumstances though IIRC. |
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Does it make any difference once he's played for England?
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think he can't play for Australia for 2 years from the last date he played for England
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If he wants to change he will, the rfl won't stop him if the australians want him they'll take him. Why would they want him though, he's average for his age Hayne is the future
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Whoops Barry!!! Wrong again!!!'"
So..... are you telling me that both Gleesons and Widdles were NOT born in England then?
Hey you may be right mate.. I'm only going off Wikipedia |
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Surely if he was born in England, then he is English and shouldn't count on the quota.
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That's what common sense would say Rughead. But this is the RLIF we're talking about!!!
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IIRC, he has to have been registered with a UK club for three consecutive years between the ages of 16 and 21 to be considered a "federation trained" player. The fact he has a UK passport doesn't come into it.'"
Go tell the RFL to change their rules then... Quote from the current (posted on RFL site) operating rules:
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DEFINITION OF OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:1 (a)
An “overseas Player” is one who cannot produce satisfactory evidence to the RFL that he is a Professional Player in accordance with the EU Rules guaranteeing the free movement of workers and that either:
(i) he is an EU National; or
(ii) he is entitled to be lawfully employed in England as a professional rugby league player pursuant to a valid work permit and is a National of a country which is party to either an Association Agreement, Europe Agreement or the Cotonou Agreement with the EU; or
(iii) thatheisaNationalofacountrywhichisacurrentFullorAssociateMemberof the RLEF and has been resident in that country for four years and is a bona fide registered player who has played a minimum of five domestic league or cup games in a domestic competition in that Full or Associate Member’s country.
For the avoidance of doubt a National is defined as a person who holds a current passport for an EU member state or a country party to an Association Agreement, Europe Agreement or the Cotonou Agreement as appropriate. Where a person claims to be a National of a country which does not issue its own passports, the RFL will review such a claim on a case by case basis but has no obligation to decide whether a person is a National of such a country. In order to provide satisfactory evidence for C1:4:1 (a) (iii) above, the individual must hold and produce a relevant and current passport, the RLEF member must provide records and testimony as to the player’s competition record and the RLEF must certify that the information provided is correct and bona fide. The purpose of C1:4:1 (a) (iii) above is to provide a performance pathway for talented players from the domestic competitions in RLEF Full or Associate Member countries and in all matters of interpretation or judgement of this rule the RFL will make decisions which are consistent with that purpose.'"
To prove that you are an EU national requires some evidence, like a passport maybe? |
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But I thought that the rules were that players now had to be Federation trained to not count on the Quota, and as BramleyRhino said, he wasn't trained in this country.
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There is Section B of the Operating Rules, 'Competitions' (under 'General Competition Rules')
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In the following seasons the numbers in B1:11A above shall be amended to:
(a) Season 2008: a maximum of 10 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained Players, Federation Trained Players from the Club’s own federation or Academy Junior and a minimum of 5 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors;
(b) Season 2009: a maximum of 8 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained Players, Federation Trained Players from the Club’s own federation or Academy Junior and a minimum of 6 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors;
(c) Season 2010: a maximum of 6 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained Players, Federation Trained Players from the Club’s own federation or Academy Junior and a minimum of 7 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors.
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And also, again quoted from the Operating Rules, Section C ('Personnel', Issue 8, dated January 2010)...
found at [urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/clientdocs/Part%203_Section%20C.pdf[/url
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The RFL will not at any time accept a registration application for an "overseas Player", nor register the Player until it has received a copy of the Player's visa showing that the Player is entitled to work in the country in which the Club is based or satisfactory evidence that such a permit is not necessary in which case the Club must provide a copy of the relevant immigration documentation. In cases of dispute relating to work permits or other immigration documentation or the need therefore, the RFL will consult the UK Border Agency and the Board shall take their comments or advice as the determining factor. .
Each Club shall be entitled to register only the Quota of "overseas Players" in all squads set out below in each season save for those Clubs which are granted an exemption in such form as the Board shall decide:
Maximum Number of Overseas Players
Season Super League Clubs Championship Clubs Championship 1 Clubs
2008 onwards 5 1 2
For the avoidance of doubt, if any Club exceeds the Quota at any time, it shall not be entitled to replace any "overseas Player" whose contract has expired or who ceases to play for the Club for any other reason, until it complies with the relevant Quota, and it shall be guilty of misconduct. The Board shall be entitled to remove the Player from the Register as set out above.
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| Quote ="goochie124"But I thought that the rules were that players now had to be Federation trained to not count on the Quota, and as BramleyRhino said, he wasn't trained in this country.'"
As the OP asked if he would count as a 'quota' player then, presumably they meant the latter in my post, above (i.e. QUOTA OF OVERSEAS PLAYERS).
Just to complete the quoting of the rules, the following definitions apply:
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This Clause is subject to Clause B1:11C in Seasons 2008-10. At the time of notification of the Provisional First Team Squad and First Team Squad and at all times, a Club’s First Team Squad, where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:
(a) a maximum of 5 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained, Federation Trained or are working towards either classification.
(b) a minimum of 8 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that classification.
(c) the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards either classification.
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The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:11A above:
(a) ‘Club Trained Player’: a player who has been on the Club’s register for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level. For the 2008 Season only this shall be amended to 1 full Season and for the 2009 Season only this shall be amended to 2 full Seasons. For the avoidance of doubt, where a player satisfies the definition in each of the 2008 and 2009 Seasons and is on the Club’s register in both of those seasons, the Player shall retain the status of ‘Club Trained Player’ in 2010 for so long as he remains on the register of that Club but shall lose such status (unless he satisfies the full definition of 3 years) upon being removed from the Club’s register and shall not regain it simply by returning to the Club’s register. Otherwise, and again for the avoidance of doubt, from the 2010 Season onwards a player must satisfy the requirement to have been on the Club’s register for 3 full Seasons before being ineligible to play at Under 21 level in order to qualify as a ‘Club Trained Player’ and the fact that he may have qualified as a ‘Club Trained Player’ in the 2008 and/or 2009 Seasons shall be irrelevant.
(b) ‘Federation Trained Player’: a player who, for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on one of the Club’s register or the register of another Club being a member of the same rugby league federation. For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one Club’s register to another Club’s register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of the period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie (whichever is sooner) between
being removed from one register and being registered with another Club, consecutively shall not be broken for the purposes of this clause.
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I don't know about anyone else but I couldn't be bothered reading any of that.
Basically as I suggested he'll be the same as Martin Gleeson (mark gleeson moved back at 16 and so satisfied the homegrown ruling) in that he isn't overseas at all but he won't be homegrown anywhere.
Failing that the RFL will roll out a dispensation as long as said player declares themself for England
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| Quote ="Dico"I don't know about anyone else but I couldn't be bothered reading any of that.
Basically as I suggested he'll be the same as Martin Gleeson (mark gleeson moved back at 16 and so satisfied the homegrown ruling) in that he isn't overseas at all but he won't be homegrown anywhere.
Failing that the RFL will roll out a dispensation as long as said player declares themself for England'"
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Look what we have come to clinging on to an average 21 year old who is unproven. Sad.
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Why does he keep on posting bo11ocks though,it's like he can't help himself or is he a troll. 
