What a load of gibberish rubbish have you actually read anything I've quoted?

When I come on the Wakefield board I offer comments for discussion and clearly offer the positives too. I've posted before that I recognise the arguments that Wakey fans put forward and I agree, however, I also note some of the aspects raised by the opposition. A lot of the Wakefield fans spend time discussing what the opposition are doing and saying.

On the other hand, when you come on the Cas forum all you do is post negative stuff with no real substance or evidence and like I mentioned in the post prior to this one, it's not the ideas that are the wrong, it's the way it is conveyed. I happen to agree with some points, for instance, that we've no real evidence about financials, delays and timeframes going out the window. Maybe you're just too blunt, I don't know. Or maybe I'm just too soft and need to harden up a little? I don't know. If you feel I'm too negative towards Wakefield that's your opinion. I can assure you that I do attempt to be impartial at every opportunity, though.

That post was in reply to Ceejames.

And yes, I've read everything you've said and why I have replied to it.

I don't want to add to your confusion here Fully as deehall and Ceejames seem to have you tied up in knots, but I thought Ben Bailey homes had bought your place for £6 million, if not then its all academic as you cannot name a ground that does not exist.

(Fully keep the praise on the down low, people will talk! We have reputations to maintain!!)

To be fair to Fully he is hardly the most negative poster regarding NM. His posts are objective and well reasoned. Of course he is going to have a harder time to see the pitfalls of his own project (just as to the same extent my hope for NM blinds me from what other people deem "reasonable concerns"icon_wink.gif. But that's life. Thinking objectively is always harder when focused on yourself.

The problem we have IMO is "fear". The nature of relegation in the franchise era has pitted two clubs together (with a strained relationship to say the least) in fight for survival. This fear quickly fell down to the fans and gave rise to the "trolling" we see on BOTH forums. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering! I think the franchise system has created a lot of suffering within the Wakefield district and in a wider setting has taken the focus off what is really important; the rugby league. Which is why in some ways I'm envious of Championship fans, IMO they get more real RL than we could dream of in SL because of all the baggage that comes with SL. Not to say I want to be a championship fan, but I do want to see some changes in SL.

As both I and Fully have said if we were still in an era of P&R neither of our clubs would be in any danger of losing our licenses as so both clubs would have gone down a route of "mutual support" rather than the situation we currently "enjoy". If SL is prepared to lose this great rivalry for the sake of underwriting it's expansionist agenda then so be it. SL will be much, much poorer without it.

IMO it's the system that's failing, not these two great teams. But I think both clubs should do well to remember what a great man once said "The system may fail you, but don't fail yourself!"

And anyone who worked at hicksons will be able to tell you that no toxic waste was ever buried on the site of the cas ground as you said.

Dont worry they will get something out of it

double post.

I cannot be bothered with you much longer. It's clear to me your changing your agenda to try and keep the argument going. I have my opinion, accept it, move on. I think my valuation is extremely realistic.

P.S. An intelligent person would have known that I was referring to every post containing the name of the ground.

And STILL nothing about the GAME ITSELF!!!

The ABSOLUTE KEY SELLING POINT OF RUGBY LEAGUE!!!!!

Not stadiums!!!

It's not us that you should be arguing with about that. It's those in charge.

There - is that better?



Even better, how about this post from April 2009:



The only reason for posting this is to highlight the Rose-Tinted colour of those glasses you look through. You buy every comment that RW makes, without question, and yet the record on delivery is zero, zilch, nada. You then make out that anyone who disagrees with what you are saying must be ill-informed - well they can't all be wrong or you'd be kicking off next season, nay - you'd have been in your new stadium for around 5 years now!

ALL of the clubs have found it very difficult to deliver stadia in the good-times of the last few years - in these times of 'austerity' it will be even harder, especially with regard to funding through things like sponsorship, which can be viewed as a bit of a luxury and, like all things, if there is less demand to place sponsorship and more people chasing it, companies will be even more demanding over what they get for what money they pay.

I would suggest you go and do some homework on the state of play - real, not RW version - and, like the rest of us, be judged on what you are actually able to deliver. In the meantime, all of this thread is just a whole pile of hot air and nothing more!

OMFG you are Yoda and I claim my 5 credits.
But I do have to tell you that i'm immune to Jedi mind tricks.

Not all of it

Not true. I happen to disagree with certain statements RW makes - I just don't choose to air them in public like others and therein lies the difference to other people although if you go back and read the Westerman thread I was pretty disappointed by what was said then. I'm starting to get annoyed about the current delay and if they don't pull their finger out soon, I dread to think what may happen.

And I've never argued differently regarding austerity. Financially businesses everywhere are trying to shed costs and sponsorships is one area where these will suffer. On the other hand, though, businesses will be looking to advertise their brand as much as possible to keep it in the public eye. Now I apologise to deeHell if he was referring to 200k per year, however, the way he wrote it simply looked as if it was 200k total, end of. That is why I disagreed. I don't think 400k is unrealistic - ambitious maybe - but a compromise between the two is fairly reasonable and I would hazard a guess that between those figures is where it may well end up being.

I know what the state of play with ours is and I do believe it is deliverable, however, nothing is ever 100% guaranteed and until then, there will always be problems and issues to overcome in the process.

You sir have the patience of a saint!



So after how many years do you become officially 'vexed'?

In a thread whose subject is 'stadium situation for licencing'? Well, duh!

Or did you mean the forum as a whole? Because that's simply untrue …

Well 21 pages about a small part of RL when there are major issues does seem to point out that somehow, some people's sense of priorities are well, "different".

But hey we are the best nation on the planet at RL are we not?

It is an inescapable fact of these forums that any thread with the word 'stadium' in the title will generate at least 15 pages of Cas and Wakey fans indulging in comparative penile studies.

You do know that if someone started talking about then international game on a thread about stadia, that could be classed as derailment dont you?
Or are you saying that we should all now let you give all titles a once over just in case you dont like them?

So, you're a Cas fan aren't you? Have you graphed yours? I bet it looks like the Laffer Curve

well we have better stadia than NRL even of the game isn;t close~!

It seems to be different Down Under though. I watched Balmain v Manly at the Leichardt Oval in 1989 and technically the ground was a dump but for some reason i didn't feel that way about my surroundings. We were sat on the hill eating our four 'n twenty pies and it was just a great feeling. Maybe it was the weather, maybe it was because i was on holiday?