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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Why have so many people assumed that Hull have offered him the biggest pay packet?
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Why else would he go there? Why are people struggling to see this(well outside of Hull anyway)?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"It was widely reported that Ellis went from Wakefield to Leeds for less money, in order to win stuff.
Not sure about when he went to Aus, but that was just about him playing in the greatest RL competition.
If what’s been touted about on here is true, he hasn’t gone to Hull because they are the biggest paymasters, however, the biggest financial offer surely came from a club, he believes, isn’t going to win squat in the next few years.
[uBut, if he still wants to win stuff, why take a punt on Hull?[/u'"
What a silly statement! I recall not too many years ago a lot of people had that attitude about Wire, a new coach and some astute signings changed that! Hull have a new coach, one with a good pedigree and now we are starting to make some very astute signings, we are going in the right direction....
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Arguably a pedantic point, but Pearson did not take City all the way to the Premiership. Most of the way and was then there to help pick up the pieces.
Fans tend to be sceptical of the grand plans of rival clubs. Even their own if they're wise and/or miseries. This signing will be a big step towards diminishing that, but it won't remove it totally. Hull have been on the verge for a while now, according to their more optimistic fans. This time I think there might be something in it, but others maybe need more convincing.'"
Fair point. Other fans are probably not aware of the sweeping changes that have been made since the old regime and just how bad things had gotten under Uncle Kath, James Rule & Richard Agar. I can tell you that until Pearson took over, most Hull fans were frustrated that a club with such potential was stagnating because of poor player development and a 3rd rate coach (amongst other things). We may have been on the verge a few years back but the appointment of Agar and the unwillingness of the Board to invest where needed took us backwards.
There's been clear intent all over the shop from Pearson that he aims to make us a top side and win silverware. One thing that makes him stand out is that it's clearly not all talk. His actions over such a short period of time speak volumes. If I were a player being courted by Hull FC this would certainly grab my attention.
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| Hull allegedly do not offer the biggest payday..MaCrae puts a dossier together and sends it to Ellis.
My question is...What was in that dossier of intent that swayed Ellis?
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"What a silly statement! I recall not too many years ago a lot of people had that attitude about Wire, a new coach and some astute signings changed that! Hull have a new coach, one with a good pedigree and now we are starting to make some very astute signings, we are going in the right direction....'"
I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?
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| Good signing IMO.
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| Quote ="rover49"Good signing IMO.'"
Just good?
We've signed a player who's in the top two in his position the other been Sam Thaiday. Not a position we were desperate to strengthen but it's Ellis for god sake the guys an amazing player.
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| There's room in the statement that allows for the actual money paid by Hull to be less but taking contract length & any "unconnected" 3rd party deals makes the whole package very attractive to Ellis.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?'"
Pearson has also brought in Aspinwall and Tony Martin.
As for Ellis, cracking player, superstar of world rugby, will be a fantastic signing!
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?'"
So far:
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O'Caroll
Added to the likes of Yemo, Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, O;Meley, Moa
Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"So far:
Lynch
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O'Caroll
Added to the likes of Yemo, Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, O;Meley, Moa
Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.'"
Didn't Agar sign some of those, therefore they must be rubbish.
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| Quote ="ry21"Didn't Agar sign some of those, therefore they must be rubbish.'" Mot FC fans will acknowledge that Agar brought some good talent to our club, the problem was he did not know what to do with them!!
A prime example of this is Will Smith, pretty poor under Agar, now a different player under a coach with a good pedigree.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"So far:
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Added to the likes of Yemo, Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, O;Meley, Moa
Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.'"
Ok, they are solid players, but not much more imo. Ellis is a cut above those mentioned but the likes of Seymour, Hermenia and O'caroll aren't exactly world beaters. Lynch isn't getting younger, but Mckinnon does look good from what I've seen so far. It's just coming across to me like the Hull fans seem to think like this signing is the difference between being a mid table side to one of the top sides. You have a bit to go yet.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Ok, they are solid players, but not much more imo. Ellis is a cut above those mentioned but the likes of Seymour, Hermenia and O'caroll aren't exactly world beaters. Lynch isn't getting younger, but Mckinnon does look good from what I've seen so far. It's just coming across to me like the Hull fans seem to think like this signing is the difference between being a mid table side to one of the top sides. You have a bit to go yet.'"
Most realistic FC understand building to success takes time, however regarding your point, name me 1 team in SL who have a team full of players with the calibre of Ellis, most teams are built on solid players, players like Ellis enhance a team.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Just good?
We've signed a player who's in the top two in his position the other been Sam Thaiday. Not a position we were desperate to strengthen but it's Ellis for god sake the guys an amazing player.'"
Amazing signing, greatest player the world has seen, I'm so excited I could orgasm.
Is that better
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Mot FC fans will acknowledge that Agar brought some good talent to our club, the problem was he did not know what to do with them!!
A prime example of this is Will Smith, pretty poor under Agar, now a different player under a coach with a good pedigree.'"
OMG weve signed will smith aswell haha
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"OMG weve signed will smith aswell haha'" This will make headlines all over the world!!
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| I was pretty made up by the signing of Ellis, but this thread and the one on the Leeds board has been the icing on the cake.
Keep it up, chaps.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Pearson has also brought in Aspinwall and Tony Martin.
As for Ellis, cracking player, superstar of world rugby, will be a fantastic signing!'"
Both of whom have played well so far this season, and are stop-gap signings until Gentle has the time/budget to reshape his squad.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I was pretty made up by the signing of Ellis, but this thread and the one on the Leeds board has been the icing on the cake.
Keep it up, chaps.
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It's nearly as good over on the Wakey board
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Ok, they are solid players, but not much more imo. Ellis is a cut above those mentioned but the likes of Seymour, Hermenia and O'caroll aren't exactly world beaters. Lynch isn't getting younger, but Mckinnon does look good from what I've seen so far. It's just coming across to me like the Hull fans seem to think like this signing is the difference between being a mid table side to one of the top sides. You have a bit to go yet.'"
Heremaia hasn't even played in SL for us yet.
Lynch has been our stand out player all season, he has made the 3rd highest number of meters despite playing a game less than most other teams.
Seymour may not be the best halfback in the world, but having gambled on the injury prone Head, Dykes and Long in recent years we decided to go for a younger option with a better injury record.
The jury is still out on O'Caroll (he has picked up a worrying amount of knocks already)
Ellis is not the final piece of the jigsaw for us, we still need to secure key players like Moa, O'Meley and Manu to new deals, and need to strengthen at Right Centre, Wing and possibly No6 (I personally feel Horne is now to slow to play there) but this signing is a massive step in the right direction for a club that has fallen rapidly backwards since the end of 2007.
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| Quote ="spooky"Fair point. Other fans are probably not aware of the sweeping changes that have been made since the old regime and just how bad things had gotten under Uncle Kath, James Rule & Richard Agar. I can tell you that until Pearson took over, most Hull fans were frustrated that a club with such potential was stagnating because of poor player development and a 3rd rate coach (amongst other things). We may have been on the verge a few years back but the appointment of Agar and the unwillingness of the Board to invest where needed took us backwards.
There's been clear intent all over the shop from Pearson that he aims to make us a top side and win silverware. One thing that makes him stand out is that it's clearly not all talk. His actions over such a short period of time speak volumes. If I were a player being courted by Hull FC this would certainly grab my attention.'"
That Hull have been willing and able to do this is very impressive. Everything else to date, you couldn't criticisize, but was steady rather than spectacular. If Hull do kick on and start challenging, I can easily imagine this coming to be seen as the signing that was the catalyst.
Until you do, it'll be mockery for naivety and presumption. There's a little bit of a nervous edge to it though, I reckon. Intrigued to see how it develops - hoping it flops, obviously.
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Of course. I'd be disappointed if you weren't
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| great signing for us, (fc), not too long ago we made the grand final with a team nobody expected us to get there with, unfortunatly all our last board was more concerned with was making money from us fans and not investing in the club from the juniors to senior level, posters (mainly leeds fans) say signing ellis wont win us any competitions, do they think we won't be signing anybody else for next season or the next 3 whilst gareth is here? the signing of ellis will send out a message to other quality players that hull fc are classed as serious contenders and a big club who want to be at the top!
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