Bowes has plenty of credibility i (and many others) might not always agree with him but he puts forward a well reasoned argument and is willing to admit when he is wrong, whats more he doesnt have to run away or change the subject if he's losing an argument.

have you reached china yet with that hole you are digging

he lost credibility when he made a massive hypocrite of himself

its typical of a flat capper

ie expansion club does poorly = waste of time
heartland club does poorly = various justiable reasons

when you look at the negativity towards expansion clubs by RL fans, around 90% is just jealousy from fans of clubs that feel threatened.

these people do the sport no favours at all, and can be as negative towards the game as union is

with friends like these hey!

and as a fan of a suburb team I am sure you can fully empathise, hence why you'd rather see a city of 160k get a club over a city of 1.6million!

Oh now after you have changed the subject 3 times due to you losing the argument?



1/10 (and thats only for spelling) must do better



Oh and i think welsey still has some points for you to address, i wonder why you keep ignoring that bit of my post?

Dally is quite obviously a very parochial flat capper.

Another thread utterly ruined by the confused ramblings of this moron convict. Why is he allowed to get away with it? He's not even fit to post in the Sin Bin.

thats what ive been thinking about you flat cappers

you guys shouldnt be allowed on expansion threads.

stick to ones on your own clubs or how rugby used to be better in winter

despite wellsey trying for the past year to engage me in debate, ive told him hes on my banned list

its nice to see him rembering posts ive made years ago.

its nice to be loved.

Hahahaha, you've bitten back. You tried really hard, but couldn't last forever



You only don't reply anymore because you have been humiliated on too many threads... The thread where you said all mergers are bad (so bad that you can't support Wests Tigers after being a Balmain fan, so now you support St George Illawarra, another merged team

)
The thread where you said RL is number one in West Yorkshire, despite being shown the figures, and now you have changed your tune because it suits your argument


Th list goes on.
And now this. Calling someone a hypocrit because they have different standards (in your opinion) for clubs from small suburbs and expansion cities is just the icing on the cake, and shortly after saying you'd have CC Bears over WA Reds is, well, that's just fantastic



I'd love to see you try and explain your way out of that one

What club do I support, before you spread all your lies? I'll give you a clue Paris is no threat to them and they are not a heartland club or a Championship club? Thus your whole pretense is a lie and your argument here falls down.

I have seen more expansiopn clubs fold due to clueless people like you pressing them to move up too early than from any other reason (probably combined), so I suggest you're the anti-expansion one for wanting expansion clubs to fold in a higher league rather than succeed in a lower league

Flatcapper troll, people like you shouldn't be allowed to post on expansion threads.

I think this should be the reply to every message from him from now on until he realises he's a plank and just goes away.

its very simple.

if someone says when an expansion club fails that means RL doesnt work there but then when heartland clubs fail comes up with excuses, then that person is a hypocrite.

their opinions on the matter are biased.

hello, that means you

im looking for a fair argument, not people who just keep going even when they are wrong

gosford is expansion territory.

So please enlighten us as to any ' Expansion ' club that has succeded in the UK ?

Pathetic.

yeah summer rugby is the way to go.

castleford.

Correct , 84 years and few miles from the heartlands of Wakefield and Featherstone



Since then and further afield ?

Les Catalans.

and thats it.

heres the question for you :

if the RFL is going to risk its money on a club, which is a better risk Leigh (whose 1 year in SL was a failure), Barrow club from an area with a tiny population and add little to SL), Fax (another small club right next to bradford) or paris or toulose.

if you are going to risk money, risk it on the place that can actually change the sport a lot.

And right next to Huddersfield, but a club that is bigger than Toulouse. IF we are going to risk money on places that can actually change the sport why dont we have a club in New York?

No it doesn't, it means you. Widnes didn't fail, that was a malicious lie on your behalf, going into administration isn't failing it is a temporary setback that happens to several clubs a year, often in soccer. Bradford folded 45 years ago when the sport was completely differently run. Whether they should have been given another chance at the time or not is irrelevent, the fact is they were and now they are anything but failed.

If Paris had a successful team at the moment the failure of PSG would be irrelevent, but they don't, the last French Elite team in Paris was a disastrous failure too that lost every game by a big score and had to drop down in finacial ruin only to fold soon after.

London Broncos failed in a far greater way that Widnes allegedly did and it was ignored (although they changed to become Harlequins as a result). They actually folded, which if you had the slightest bit of sense you'd realise Widnes didn't.

If Paris want to work their way up to SL did they should be able to like Bradford did and Widnes are trying, they shouldn't be gifted a place. Noone is saying RL should be banned in Paris after PSG they are just saying they should earn a SL spot after the failure last time.

Because of people thinking like you there will soon be no professional RL in Wales, whereas if expansionists like me had had our way there'd be a successful Championship team in Wales with Welsh players, their own ground and matches on S4C. Now all that is gone and there's just ruins

In what possible way is Gosford expansion territory and not Widnes, Leigh or Barrow? Gosford is a heartland area where the game is long established, nearer other clubs than Barrow are, with a team already playing in the 2nd tier and previously had a club playing there in the top flight.

Your double standards between expansion in the UK and Australia make you the only hypocrite on here, and a disgustingly exaggerated one at that.

Les Catalans is a heartland club you knob rot.

HTH.