Absolutely I wish them well because the sport won't grow or improve when supposed top level games are played at dumps.

We agree then.

But stop the nonsense idea that the club made promises, which they then wilfully and deliberately avoided.

Wakey have been the victim of circumstance after circumstance!

Did you know that one new build scheme, to be funded in partnership with Yorkshire County Cricket, was scuppered by Paul Caddick and Leeds City Council?

Or that one club official mysteriously disappeared to Amsterdam.

Or that on the eve of submitting fully funded development plans for BV were told by WMDC - "no don't, we are developing a sports village in Thornes Park"?

Or that a famous "Sir/WMDC", told the club not to bid on the purchase of BV, as they had it covered on the club's behalf, and they would only force the price up (Hello National Crime Agency).

It never ends...

We'll agree to disagree on whether promises were made, but I believe it did say in the secound round that things were out your control.

Either way....hopefully you now get some luck with it. You as a club need it and we as a sport it. Same goes for Cas.

No need to agree to disagree with me - just show me where I am wrong. Show me where either club made any kind of promise.

Talking about what they wanted/intended/hoped to achieve; their aspirations, is not promising XYZ will be done.

Feel free to say both clubs have failed to deliver an up to date facility for the last 20 years - you'd be right.

But this notion that they have somehow kept saying they'll build it tomorrow, without ever intending is nonsense and factually incorrect

It's fake news. A lie.

And yes - I'm sure Wakey will still need something to fall in their favour.

Cas's dreams seem abandoned (not by them, but by the controlling influences).

Oh I see my cocks bigger and better than your cock syndrome



Still doesn't stop us showing your @rse at Belle Vue does it 30-20, 32-16, 62-0, 36-28

It's not their cock in the fight - It's Latics cock.

Without seeing the exact application (only managed to find one from Leeds) we will never truly know will we

Not a happy hunting ground for us of late that's for sure. The 62-0 was a bit different with players spewing up throughout, we were never winning that game.

The arena next door is ours.

Allegedly spewing cos they were on the the night before.

That old chestnut

If you like

Annoyed most wigan fans that you didn't score 76

Not exactly...

"Robin Park Arena is Wigan Warriors’ new multi-million pound facility in association with Wigan Council."

Not like Wigan RL to Cuckoo other people's possessions, is it? Much.

We pay the bills, the council use it for athletics still.

You pay for the bit you use.

The rest of it is still a Wigan Borough Council run facility.

What happened to Orrell???

We use most of it from what I can tell. The pitches, the gym, the offices, there's a players bar and club shop.

Orrell is being sold for houses I think. Needed doing up and I think the costs were too high.

No, you have use of it at certain times and it remains a public facility for public use the rest of the time.

WRL rent some office and changing room space.

WRL do not own Robin Park.

WRL do not own a single blade of grass fit to host SL rugby league.

Of course, I'd still prefer that to what we do have (though one day, being tenants will come to haunt clubs like Hudds, Wigan & Hull FC).

What do you class as "certain times" considering all of our offices are there, we train there, our club shop is there?

The council gym facilities are across the road. Their only use of the arena is the running track.

Robin Park Arena is not for the sole use of WRL and is not owned, in any way, shape or form, by WRL.

It's a tenancy.

You used it to take the P out of Cas and Wakey, saying "your" training facility was better than those clubs first team grounds.

All your facilities are rented.

Is that another way of paying rent?.

No - that's the bills.

The rent they pay is separate.

you go back a long time



So do I, but my take on this is Superleague did not want two clubs in Leeds, and didn't want a "Small club" either but wanted a city club with a good history.....

At that time SL did not know Wakey council would not be supportive of their top footy club, or that Wakey would be shafted on Newmarket.

As for a promise to make Belle Vue good enough to be in SL, well SL seems to accept it's good enough and have done for 20 years?...........

Tremendous point.

Maybe SL should only accept clubs who own their own ground??

Wakefield make every effort they can to improve the ground, it makes sense to do so as it was said at the time a better ground would mean better finances and a stable club.

Carter has improved the ground best he can and continues to do so, and he keeps the finances in decent shape too.

Aren't Salford at risk of collapse because they do not own the ground??

This Wakey bashing is really silly..... Go bash Salford.....