I think we kept going and got a winning try like a good team does. Wigan kept going like the good team they are but they made a mistake when it mattered. That isn't luck. That's down to them been out on their feet, not luck.

They probably wouldn't have if JP hadn't taken Tomkins head off.

Well if Wigan have a player on their roster (and a GB International at that) that will let an opposition player walk right over him, who is not running fast, or intending to go for the try line, or making any attempt to shift direction with his feet, then they deserve to lose in such a manner





Man, you are stinking from this one. I think the last time I got so angry after a team I don't even support lost was when Bradford were denied a try in the last minute of a game against Leigh in about 1993 which would have meant they would have won the title. Funny that innit!

Go to bed Old Lad, and then cringe in the morning when you have to come back on here!

Correct. *Cringe Cringe*

I have no doubt Leeds have more chance of doing something like this than any other team. You're the champions, the team to beat, the best in the competition. With that comes experience and composure which also contributes to the try. It still has to have an element of luck to score like that in the last minute considering the defences throughout the match.

I'd rather have seen Wigan win. But i'm not heartbroken to see Leeds go through, I just reckon Wigan would have deserved it more and can be disappointed in the manner they lost.

Just out of interest, do you have the stats of the number of clean breaks made by both sides today?

I was gunna ask that. We were shocking with ball in hand but stood up to be counted in defence. If it was flukey that we scored in the last I assume it was flukey for Wigan that Delaney had his brain fart 5 minutes earlier and tossed it into the crowd.

No.

No.

Missing a tackle at whatever point in the game isn’t unlucky, just a poor tackle.

Jeez, I thought I didn’t like Leeds. But if there was a league table, you would be two divisions above me.

That was lucky, yes.

It's Wigan's own fault they lost - they shouldn't have missed that tackle. I'm not blaming the referee or saying Leeds cheated. My argument is reasonable - Leeds last try was lucky.

Gleeson only missed 1 tackle - that one.

It's unlucky that it occured in the last minute right on the tryline as opposed to in the 50th on the halfway line.

In sport and life, you make your own luck.

Despite the amount of possesion Wigan had in the Leeds half, I am struggling to recall when they genuinely looked like scoring a try. Maybe the last 5 seconds of the first half, but that was down to the Leeds knock on from the kick off. Leeds played the majority of the first half in our own half, which the BBC made of the fact that Pat Richards was such a great long kicker (which he is) however it was clear (especially going on the effect of his kicks in the second half) that there was a strong wing blowing east to west.

Leeds scored a try and blew one of probably the only two genuine try scoring opportunites of the whole game

How this equals mass Wigan dominance and the best side losing is beyond me

But not in blackjack

I think the first part of your post shows why the second part of your post is laughable. Leeds got lucky but it wasn't the refs fault or that Leeds cheated. It was because Wigan decided to give up tackling for the last 30 seconds of the game. Which is completely dependent on the players. No luck concerned there as far as I can see.

They didn't decide to - it was obviously accidental. It was unlucky when it occured and where on the pitch it was.

What time did Batley v Catalans kick off?

You do realise don't you, that every try, and every point for that matter, in every single Rugby League match that is played, is always down to a mistake of some sort from the opposition player. How can a try be scored for example, without a player not making a tackle?

You know that, right?

But surely that means every missed tackle is a fluke? There is no luck involved in running to the line and having a player drop off you. That's down to the conditioning and technique of the tackling player. There was no luck there it was a good piece of play by Leeds. We did a set play and Wigan missed their tackles.

Whilst I’m sure we can agree about many aspects of the game, the interpretation of ‘luck’ has become a sticking point, therefore I’m off to buy some beer.


Stay lucky

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Bam!

I'll follow this guys lead and end my argument.


Obviously i'm the only person who sees my point so it must be wrong, Leeds weren't lucky to win that match.

There ae plenty of drop goals that aren't down to opposition mistakes.

Finally! Keep going on RA&B though pal. They seem to have your bitterness at heart