Exactly what we said at the time

Is Sinfield any relation to the guy I could not stand on the field when he played for Leeds ,but now think he should be Knighted

No, not even distantly.

I’m not sure how you can say that, his Trinity career can be measured in minutes. As for Shudds, well I wouldn’t judge any player on what’s happened there in recent years. But yes he wouldn’t be the top of my list. I’m all for giving players a chance to rebuild their careers, but I’m not sure this guy warrants it.

Some very poor minutes in my opinion. I wasn’t impressed but I can only form my opinion on what I’ve seen, however short that may be.

I’m glad you seem to be agreeing with my initial post that he’s someone we probably don’t need to look at.

I do agree but not based on what I’ve seen. More on his playing history. Reserve grade Catalan is not a great advert imho, they are very short of home grown players and you’d like to think that if he were any good they would have kept him. Even Cozza has a better back history imho.

Sadly the QLD/NSW Cup is where it’s at for up and coming talent not France. I know they are non quota but the quality just isn’t there. There are also way better Championship players and certainly better fringe players at clubs like Wigan.

Can’t argue with that. As you say if the quality was there they would end up at Catalans most likely. It’s a shame really in a way but I suppose it’s the result of only having 1 French team in SL and the competition over there not being to the same (or close) to SL. It doesn’t appear there’s the appetite or finance to see that happen anytime soon.

Just on Cozza, he should be entering his best years soon and I’m looking forward to seeing how he goes this year in SL.

Batch signed for another 5 years at KR.

Still criminal he was allowed to leave.

Allowed?


The days of clubs being in control of who leaves and who stays disappeared way way back. Money talks. Do you think Salford will be "allowed" to keep all their star players if new investors don't emerge soon?

Might help some fans move on a bit now. He's been very visible kissing the Rovers badge for some time so an extension isn't surprising. I very much doubt that he's been sat there wanting Matt Ellis to offer him a wad to move back either.

I disagree he has been loyal to us far more than some until such time when it became inevitable that he had to leave what basically was a failing club. We allowed the majority of the better squad players to leave so why wouldn’t he look to secure his RL career at Hull KR. He showed with a better squad and a less depressing environment further improvement in his game to such an extent that he is now been awarded a 5 year extension.
He never showed any indication that he wanted to return to us so I doubt he was waiting for Matt Ellis to step in.
If a player chooses to kiss his badge so what they are paying his wages, I am sure we have seen others doing it in a Wakefield shirt.

It's a job. He had better prospects at Rovers. He made the right decision.

Mrs EW and our daughter have rubbed this in a bit tonight. I can't deny it, I'm disappointed about this. Out of all the players "allowed to leave", as it was put, this is the one, I would have loved reversing, if I'm honest, more so than TJ.

I do get where Trojan is coming from, given, that as a club, who our CEO wasn't shy of stating we were spending well under the cap, which I dont deny, was happy to waste money on such Proctor, Gaskell and Lineham, but yet let him go so easily.

As for going for the money, we need to remember, we are all working under the same cap, so there probably won't be massive increases if a player goes from one club to another.

A certain CEO of another club said to me during my time at Wakefield, that there isnt usually much leeway in terms of salary increases when a player moves on, and is more about how the club is sold to the player.

We now need to move on, and support the players we have, and hopefully keep the better ones

Nobody said he has beem waiting for Trinity to offer a deal other than you in your post. Nowhere I have seen has it been evident that fans are unable to move on from a player loss 2 years ago, I feel your confusing making a comment on a past event/player loss for more than it actually is. Discussing the loss of a past player shouldn’t automatically bring out the “fans need to move on” statement.

Batch was allowed to leave by the previous regime because they weren’t willing to offer the amount to retain his services. Clubs can influence their control of a players services with a number of factors. That’s just business.

But that implies it was in our control.
He may have just wanted to go to a club on the up and have the same prospects as his brother.
Our trajectory was only down at that time.

Our trajectory was down but I’m sure of if I recall it was regularly commented on at the time Trinity weren’t willing to offer what he wanted to stay and then he ended up going to kr. That is what I meant by him being allowed to leave by the clubs choice not to pay (probably what he was worth).

Batch bought a house in Hull 6 month before it was announced he was leaving .Think we have a few young second row players who can do as good a job if not better .

Batch has played at Wembley and Old Trafford for HKR in his 2 years since he moved, he moved for better prospects, a more stable environment and bigger opportunities - has has received all of that in his first 24 months, plus he is part of the leadership group. We are a different beast now to what we were in 2022 and beyond, I'm really happy for Batch and wish him well. There's no need for resentment and bitterness about the past, time to move on and enjoy what Trinity are in 2025+

Agree about wasting money on those 3 players One of the main reasons why we went down But as you say move on

I’m going to break my silence on this one.
Batch and Carter had fallen out in a big way after Carter offered him less for his next contract than he was currently on.
Their relationship, if that’s what you call it, had broken down beyond repair and Batch was not going to sign a contract at Wakefield while ever Carter was still involved.
I’m sure the higher value contract at HKR helped his decision and I’m also sure he saw a move as a way of securing his Superleague career but the catalyst for him leaving was the breakdown in relations and what Batch felt was disrespect from MC.

Wow.

Definately in our own hands then.

You can't blame the lad for going at all.

Still people will continue to defend that action, by our then CEO.

And some people keep attacking the actions by our then CEO without Knowing all the facts .All I can say is very pleased he was there for us and think the proof is in the way Bell View looks now .And if he was as bad as some fans make out ,how come the R L ask him to go on the panel to sort Salford out

Didn't you say that someone in the know told you there isn't much difference in salaries?
You can't have it both ways.

At the end of the day Carter offered him what he thought he deserved and Batch disagreed.
It's how things work.
Without knowing the details its hard to say whether Carter was right or wrong, but he had to balance the books so couldn't just pay anything.

That was the problem Carter appointed himself to the post of football director in charge of player retention and new player selection and negotiations even though he was completely unsuitable for the post. He alienated agents who whether you like them or not are part of the game.
He was an advisor for the RFL because of his experience of reducing a club’s overheads. It’s not too difficult reduce the biggest expenditure wages. He did it with us but eventually replacing our better players with cheaper alternatives result in seasons of ineptitude and at some point relegation.
I doubt any of you would believe we would be back in SL if we had continued with Carter in charge. I know he finally started the East Stand but how many of the subsequent planning applications were to reduce the original concept due to financial restraints. It was left to our new owner to complete what the old regime were never going to do.

I did say that, yes, and a fairly reputable one too, and has been at the helm of his club for about 27-28 years or so, and the club have had a lot of duccess.

While I do agree with what he said, I get your point, but offering a lower deal. Imagine walkimg into an appraisal/salary review, after working your backside off, to be told your salary is reducing. Not surprised he told Carter where to go.

I also get your point with balancing the books, but he wasnt balancing them, when throwing money elsewhere on players. He would have got better value offering more to him, than the players I previously mentioned.

In my eyes, he got that one very wrong and reading Scarlets post, which I agree with, its not the only thing he got wrong.

So glad we are now in better hands and players are wanting to stay

Will you give it a rest and stop being so chuffin needy, you’ve been harping on about this for years and no one cares. So you fell out with Carter, big deal, get over yourself.