So would you be if your club had been fined 40k for breaching a policy to then hear that very same policy being breached on national TV.

1) your club had already been warned about its fans behaviour in the past

2) your club broke the law with homophobic chanting

1) I'm not arguing AT ALL that Cas did not deserve punishment, particularly taking into consideration previous events.

2) No, we were sanctioned under the RFL's Respect Policy which does not specify homophobic chanting, but abusive and obscene chanting (as already qouted if you read the last couple of pages of this thread). To break the law you have to have been found guily by courts not a sporting organisation.

What I'm saying is that by the use of the words "b*****d" and "w****r", which I think most would consider to be abusive and obscene, Leeds have breached the very same policy, just in a different way.

yes,

i am suggesting that the prevailing morality of our society wouldnt find the words w'a'nker and b'a'stard abhorrent!

Castlefords offence was 100x worse

Yet despite this you, like I, will not write them fully on a message board. The reason for this is that they are abusive. If you did so, they would be 'cleaned up' as this site bans the use of abusive language, which contradicts your argument. Nor would you expect to hear these words on television before the watershed without complaints, because they are abusive.
Nowhere in the RFL's Respect Policy is the word 'abhorrent' used, it's just a word you have introduced (you do know that one dictionary definition varies from the other 10,000!) to try and justify the words "b*****d" and "w****r", no these are not abhorrent but they are abusive and obscene, which are the words the Respect Policy quotes.
And if you think they are not, I'd suggest it reflects more of your own moral standards of decency.

im guessing you are saying it doesnt specify homophobic chanting other than where it says

[iRespect the rights, dignity and worth of every person regardless of their age, ethnic origin, gender, special needs, including learning and physical disabilities, class or social background, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, marital status, pregnancy, colour or political persuasion[/i


and im guessing that you havent read where it says that any offence will be dealt with under a standardised penalty structure of very minor punishments, except [iNB Where a breach of this Code of Conduct involves discrimination on any grounds (e.g. race, gender, age, disability, sexual orientation, faith), the issue will be referredto the RFL. [/i

I agree, and therefore Leeds should be fined 1/100th of the 40k that Cas were given. But worse does not always mean acceptable. Manslaughter is not as bad as murder, but that doesn't mean we can all go round doing it and point at the murderers saying "but their crime was worse....!"

This is not the Respect Policy, it is the RFL's Code of Conduct. It covers those working and volunteering in the game, not supporters. And it is not what we were oficially fined for breaching (although it might have been more appropriate, I agree).

Another way to look at it is FGB/James Graham said last week that he always gets a warm reception at Headingley and it motivates him

You are trying to deflect the actual point as your argument is beginning to look rather weak as is SmokeyTa's. You have resorted to the "the player doesn't mind" and Smokey reckons that "B*****d" and "W****r" are acceptable.

id happily write them, except they come out as and , in fact i went out of my way to spell them in a way which showed what i was saying.

choose which definition of obscene you like, im happy with any of them, but you cant pretend obscene means something it doesnt

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"This is not the Respect Policy, it is the RFL's Code of Conduct. It covers those working and volunteering in the game, not supporters. And it is not what we were oficially fined for breaching (although it might have been more appropriate, I agree).'" erm no, it is the respect policy its in their respect brochure www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/client ... ochure.pdf

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"This is not the Respect Policy, it is the RFL's Code of Conduct. It covers those working and volunteering in the game, not supporters. And it is not what we were oficially fined for breaching (although it might have been more appropriate, I agree).'" erm no, it is the respect policy its in their respect brochure www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/client ... ochure.pdf

Why, would you suggest, does the site automatically alter the words b*****d and w****r?

because the decision was made it was preferable these words werent used

Why not?

But your trying to make it as bad as the Castleford offence

At the end of the day it was a bit cheaky, bit rude, but nothing as shameful as the Jungle incident

No I'm not, homophobic abuse is worse, no question. What I'm saying is it is still against the 'Respect' Policy and as such the RFL should investigate in the interests of fairness.

because they are words which can carry a little more weight than others,

have you read it? i have posted the brochure for you, it does explain the difference

Are you a politician? You, I and everyone else can see that you are arguing against the obvious, most of society find these words offensive and as such as filtered on this site and not allowed to be breadcast before the watershed.

RFL would spend most of the working week investigating

I'm in the middle of it now. I have read the bit re: sexual orientation and this is more specific in this document, I agree. I had only ever seen the overarching 'Respect' Policy as quoted earlier in the thread. Perhaps the RFL could give this brochure to speccies so we have more guidance on what we can and cannot chant?
However, I still think the use of the abusive language already detailed is in breach of the 'Respect' policy.

Yet they are still allowed to be broadcast.

You want to compare the difference, look at the reaction to the utterances of Ron Atkinson, Carole thatcher, Michael ,jade goody, tim hardaway, beanie Mann who made homophobic or racist statements.

and then compare them with the hundreds, if not thousands of times a week b'a'stard and w'a'nker are uttered on british tv programmes with not one complaint

A nothing answer as usual

Try the 2 nd part again

If there are Homophobic , racist orsexist chants heard at the KC stadium , the LSV or the Stobart stadium

Who gets fined ?