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| :23xohj3aA Super League meeting has been called for Thursday where Toronto will outline their reasons for dropping out of the competition and argue why they should not be demoted.
“If the results are more detrimental than that then maybe it’s time to hang up the shield.”
Toronto currently don’t take any Sky money, which means each club gets in the region of an additional £150,000 per year, an undoubted incentive for other clubs. However, the Wolfpack now want a slice of that money.
“We need to be fully participating in television and other revenues, but 90% of those revenues are that deal with Sky.
“That is the critical factor in us continuing.”
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| Like a turd that won't flush
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Like a turd that won't flush'"
Yes but they should not have let them in in the first place the people in charge should be locked up
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Like a turd that won't flush'"
Craig, you'll upset Stephanie with comments like that !
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| Quote ="Someday"Yes but they should not have let them in in the first place the people in charge should be locked up'"
A few brown envelopes,and they'll be back in SL next year.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Craig, you'll upset Stephanie with comments like that !
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That's just a bonus... I'm reading lengthy posts all over the place still making a case for the Magic Bean salesmen from Toronto.
That meeting on Thursday where Hunter makes his multiple good reasons for Toronto to play in SL 2021 plain for the chairmen to see should take all of 5 seconds to ponder then laugh him out of the UK.
Saying this the same should have happened on initial meeting when Toronto enquired. I honestly thought it was a wind up when heard about the possibility?
Toronto have took the proverbial in so many ways but it's a mess of our own making as was obviously doomed
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"A Super League meeting has been called for Thursday where Toronto will outline their reasons for dropping out of the competition and argue why they should not be demoted.
Toronto CEO Bob Hunter will argue the club’s case with Super League considering sanctions for their withdrawal, including demotion.
Hunter revealed on Sportsnet that he will deliver a presentation to clubs in the hope of winning them over.
“We will know probably within a week to ten days what Super League’s position will be on us remaining at that level,” he said.
“I am actually giving a presentation to the Super League board on Thursday to give all the good reasons why we should remain, and explain in great detail why we couldn’t get through this year.
“We’ve talked about getting demoted to the Championship and if we do then we’re going to suck it up and figure out a solution, and get a competitive squad, to get us back to Super League.
“I don’t think there’s any way that in one of those two scenarios [the club won’t play next season
“If the results are more detrimental than that then maybe it’s time to hang up the shield.”
Toronto currently don’t take any Sky money, which means each club gets in the region of an additional £150,000 per year, an undoubted incentive for other clubs. However, the Wolfpack now want a slice of that money.
“We need to be fully participating in television and other revenues, but 90% of those revenues are that deal with Sky.
“That is the critical factor in us continuing.”'"
Kind of concedes to me that they're ready for a demotion. I can't see any other reasonable outcome than this, they've withdrawn themselves, expect other clubs who are in hard times to restart operations, and then expect to continue in the competition next year? NO CHANCE
If they're serious about making it long term then start again, get yourself a sustainable model with an "affordable" team and go from there.
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| Leutele was the world's highest earning player on 800k a season i read? SBW on a 4million deal? Deals for Watkins and possibly Myler,Hall and rumored few others? Yet the squad consistently not paid? If the mining billionaire has stopped the bucks rolling in then what is left of that organisation? There must be more to come out regarding the behind the scenes management.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Many a few truths said in jest. The envelopes are empty this time'"
Probably ask for a loan to pay for the envelopes!
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| Quote ="Willzay"Probably ask for a loan to pay for the envelopes!'"
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| Be nice to see this meeting televised
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| Certainly getting interesting with the suggestion that they now want a slice of the TV monies, which, much to Donny's delight, would suggest that they have given up on trying to secure their own deal.
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| Quote ="snowie"Be nice to see this meeting televised
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Agreed. Would be very interesting.
The prime defence will be Covid,conveniently ignoring all the poor practice and general breaking of all the rules put forward by themselves.
Brinksnanship of the highest level. Write off this season and avoid throwing anymore cash down the black hole. Then rejoin as a full member and take their slice of monies they said they neither needed or wanted on acceptance.
They are gambling the board won't have the balls to expel them or at worst rejoin in Championship but as a member. This with a points deduction is bare minimum surely? Nothing would surprise me however.
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| Clubs voting tomorrow apparently.
How can they make a fair judgement. Some chairman clearly despise Toronto. You could get two clubs who are in the exact same situation yet two different punishments due to the chairman "liking" one owner/club more than the other.
What does Elstone get paid for? It should be him and his team making the decision. Looking at the consequences for the sport/SL for each decision made from an unbiased point of view.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Agreed. Would be very interesting.
The prime defence will be Covid,conveniently ignoring all the poor practice and general breaking of all the rules put forward by themselves.
Brinksnanship of the highest level. Write off this season and avoid throwing anymore cash down the black hole. Then rejoin as a full member and take their slice of monies they said they neither needed or wanted on acceptance.
They are gambling the board won't have the balls to expel them or at worst rejoin in Championship but as a member. This with a points deduction is bare minimum surely? Nothing would surprise me however.'"
Can you imagine if your club or Trinity, jettisoned their overseas signings, saving themselves a fortune and demanded to be kept in SL the following season
They would get the grand 2 finger signal.
What I dont quite understand is that, with the league suspended and knowing that their players were on "short" visas, why didn't they pack them off home, which, one assumes, would have enabled them to play when the season re started ?
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| Why in the world should the Championship accept Toronto back if they get relegated? What would they bring?
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| Quote ="mapleyther"Why in the world should the Championship accept Toronto back if they get relegated? What would they bring?'"
Seriously I hope they bring some maple syrup for my pancakes as there was none on the shelf for me last weekend
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Can you imagine if your club or Trinity, jettisoned their overseas signings, saving themselves a fortune and demanded to be kept in SL the following season
They would get the grand 2 finger signal.
What I dont quite understand is that, with the league suspended and knowing that their players were on "short" visas, why didn't they pack them off home, which, one assumes, would have enabled them to play when the season re started ?'"
The whole thing doesn't make sense.
I'd suggest Mr Argyle is a shrewd businessman and as circumstances changed he is trying to force acceptance as a member club after realising there is no money to be made even with the hordes of Canadian fans and he's unwilling to yoghurt another 20million. If they get expelled he walks away and invests in Melbourne.
If the gamble lands then they line up in SL and millions saved.If demoted but accepted as member club then that is also job done and is what he wants/expects imo. They are basically gambling the board will bottle the decision that should be made which is at least demotion and no funding.
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| Quote ="mapleyther"Why in the world should the Championship accept Toronto back if they get relegated? What would they bring?'"
Overpaid players, no fans..........
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| An owner who has paid out far more than other Super League club owners and the sport,and its followers,want them to disappear.
I don't think too many people have more than 18 million pounds in their Post Office account for instant spending.Some guys,perhaps in Canada,have their total investments tied up in other areas which may prevent immediate access during a pandemic.
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"An owner who has paid out far more than other Super League club owners and the sport,and its followers,want them to disappear.
I don't think too many people have more than 18 million pounds in their Post Office account for instant spending.Some guys,perhaps in Canada,have their total investments tied up in other areas which may prevent immediate access during a pandemic.
Off with their heads!'"
There won't be too many with amount, but funny to see them also that don't have it within the club that is spending it with ease with no problem that it coming from their pocket
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"An owner who has paid out far more than other Super League club owners and the sport,and its followers,want them to disappear.
I don't think too many people have more than 18 million pounds in their Post Office account for instant spending.Some guys,perhaps in Canada,have their total investments tied up in other areas which may prevent immediate access during a pandemic.
Off with their heads!'"
I appreciate all that, but that doesn't give him the right to just sack off the season, leaving the sport in further turmoil.
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| The mismanagement predates the pandemic.
I'm not against expansion but it must have solid foundations. This was a billionaires whim made real by his providing such financial incentives and guarantees that literally were too good to be true and to gloss over the very real logistical facts that made a Canadian side nigh on ridiculous. The fact he is now unwilling to keep throwing his dollars down the gurgler leads to his forcing of the issue. As i said earlier Mcdermotts views and for that matter Woods and Rimmers will be worth hearing.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Overpaid players, no fans..........'"
Unpaid players,fans on freebies.
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