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Quote ="a.n Other"Have they? Then why have you posted the assessment of the Cetic bid and not just posted a link to the RFL announcing that Celtic were in as they wanted to expand the game - this thread would be much shorter if you had'" this is the kind of random delusions i am taking about. The RFL stating they want to expand the game, isnt the same as the RFL stating they will let in crusaders regardless to expand the game, however much you wish it was.
Quote Where's the conclusion to the assessment? Other than - Yup you are in, which they could have done without releasing anything or, going through the bid process.'" its on the RFL website.
here for the clubs who were admitted www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
and here for the clubs who werent www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/championships
more detailed analysis on the clubs own bids was sent to the clubs.
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Quote ="a.n Other"Have they? Then why have you posted the assessment of the Cetic bid and not just posted a link to the RFL announcing that Celtic were in as they wanted to expand the game - this thread would be much shorter if you had'" this is the kind of random delusions i am taking about. The RFL stating they want to expand the game, isnt the same as the RFL stating they will let in crusaders regardless to expand the game, however much you wish it was.
Quote Where's the conclusion to the assessment? Other than - Yup you are in, which they could have done without releasing anything or, going through the bid process.'" its on the RFL website.
here for the clubs who were admitted www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
and here for the clubs who werent www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/championships
more detailed analysis on the clubs own bids was sent to the clubs.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, of course im not suggesting they are a team of 15 year olds. I leave that sort of nonsense to you. Are you suggesting the likes of Elliot Kear, Lloyd White, Gil Dudson et al didnt come through the crusaders =#FF0000player pathways? were they just magicked into existance?'"
So if Crusaders , Or SWS , sign a RU player at 19 , he comes through their player pathway , but if HKR sign a RL player at 19 he doesn't come through their player pathway , is that your argument ?
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"this is the kind of random delusions i am taking about. The RFL stating they want to expand the game, isnt the same as the RFL stating they will let in crusaders regardless to expand the game, however much you wish it was. '"
So its you being delusional saying that the RFL have done something when they havent. The paranoia of being inside the walls of Red Hall must be getting to you.
Thats no different to what you have continually posted. There is no conclusion to the assessments other than, these are in, they are, so there is no point them being released IMO. Obviously the ones sent to the clubs i presume would contain this info.
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"this is the kind of random delusions i am taking about. The RFL stating they want to expand the game, isnt the same as the RFL stating they will let in crusaders regardless to expand the game, however much you wish it was. '"
So its you being delusional saying that the RFL have done something when they havent. The paranoia of being inside the walls of Red Hall must be getting to you.
Thats no different to what you have continually posted. There is no conclusion to the assessments other than, these are in, they are, so there is no point them being released IMO. Obviously the ones sent to the clubs i presume would contain this info.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So if Crusaders , Or SWS , sign a RU player at 19 , he comes through their player pathway , but if HKR sign a RL player at 19 he doesn't come through their player pathway , is that your argument ?
Very poor'" you havent answered the question, simply avoided it and posed a different one, answer it, and pose yours and i will answer it.
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| Quote ="a.n Other"So its you being delusional saying that the RFL have done something when they havent. The paranoia of being inside the walls of Red Hall must be getting to you.'" You are saying my delusion is the RFL have said they want expansion, but this is different to them saying they will admit Crusaders solely based on expansion? wierd.
Quote Thats no different to what you have continually posted. There is no conclusion to the assessments other than, these are in, they are, so there is no point them being released IMO. Obviously the ones sent to the clubs i presume would contain this info.'" So in a decision making process, to decide which clubs are in and which are out. What other information are you expecting to be released other than the decision making process used, the clubs who are in and the clubs which are out, and the reasons for that?
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| Quote ="Starbug"
Who owns SKY ?
Who owns News corp in OZ ?
Who owns the Melbourne Storm ?'"
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He also is the man who took the game in the UK from something like morris dancing to a professional sport with a massive market share of TV viewing figures......unless you really want to go back to the good old days......sharing a commentator with It's a Knockout?
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He also is the man who took the game in the UK from something like morris dancing to a professional sport with a massive market share of TV viewing figures......unless you really want to go back to the good old days......sharing a commentator with It's a Knockout?'"
That would be a massive market share of [usatellite[/u TV viewing figures. In absolute terms of viewer numbers, I doubt if there is now 10% of the audience for RL.
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He also is the man who took the game in the UK from something like morris dancing to a professional sport with a massive market share of TV viewing figures......unless you really want to go back to the good old days......sharing a commentator with It's a Knockout?'"
so you think more people watch SLE now,than watched the regal trophy,floodlit trophy and the challenge cup in the bad old days ?.
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He also is the man who took the game in the UK from something like morris dancing to a professional sport with a massive market share of TV viewing figures......unless you really want to go back to the good old days......sharing a commentator with It's a Knockout?'" own the Melbourne Storm , a club that although has come under recent scrutiny is an expansion club , and has progressed in a similar way that Myself and others would be happy with the Crusaders to do the same , it has been properly financed all out in the open
I have no doubt some will now provide evidence to the contrary
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| Yes Sky have given the game millions, however at the same time they have removed at least 2 million from the viewing figures for any one game. Thats excellent for the growth of the game....not. If they want expansion to work, then they need people to be interested in the game. If only 5% of the 2 million got seriously interested thats another 100,000 fans, which is generally more than now attend a round of SL fixtures.
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| I wasnt around in the good old days, not old enough to remember viewing figures anyway but.. 2 million?? surely that cant be right.
Maybe for a cup final or something..
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
And Paul Caddick, Garry Hetherington, Eammon McManus, Ian Lenegan, David Hughes, Bernard Gausch, Simon Moran'"
I think it is the case that those you have named were supporters of rugby league,or played the game and created their own club ( Gary Hetherington ) and they found themselves being further involved,as oposed to the RFL finding the right people for the sport.
Still,a Super League of half a dozen clubs shows real progress since additional funds were provided to clubs via television in the nineties.
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| Quote ="Dico"I wasnt around in the good old days, not old enough to remember viewing figures anyway but.. 2 million?? surely that cant be right.
Maybe for a cup final or something..'"
I'm pretty sure Challenge cup rounds used to get between 2 and 4 million, but I'm sure someone will put me right. They were certainly alot more than 100-200,000 they get on Sky
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| Its a bit different now though isnt it, the same with everything in RL is a bit different and its why there's an issue with everyone stuck in the past. I had Satellite telly as soon as RL went to it iirc, very early 90's but even then there wasnt more than 20 channels I bet. Unlike now with 500 channels and options.
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| Would I be right in saying that more people watch darts on Sky than rugby league?
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| Quote ="TwoBlues"I think it is the case that those you have named were supporters of rugby league,or played the game and created their own club ( Gary Hetherington ) and they found themselves being further involved,as oposed to the RFL finding the right people for the sport.
Still,a Super League of half a dozen clubs shows real progress since additional funds were provided to clubs via television in the nineties.'" The club Bernard Gausch is Chief Exec of didnt even exist prior to the RFL led SL expansion of the game, yet you want to pretend they had no part in it? idiocy
But you have missed the point, the RFL have put in place a structure which allowed and attracted these people to be involved. You argued they werent doing that. Clearly you were wrong.
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| Quote ="j.c"so you think more people watch SLE now,than watched the regal trophy,floodlit trophy and the challenge cup in the bad old days ?.'"
Given that terrestrial subscribers have shown little interest in showing Super League nationally (either as highlights or live broadcasts), you can forgive me for being sceptical that broadcasters would still be interested in second and third rate knock-out competitions that, after the ban on tobacco advertising, would probably have died off anyway.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Given that terrestrial subscribers have shown little interest in showing Super League nationally (either as highlights or live broadcasts), you can forgive me for being sceptical that broadcasters would still be interested in second and third rate knock-out competitions that, after the ban on tobacco advertising, would probably have died off anyway.'"
i think your probably right in what your saying,but thats not what i was answering to.
do you think more people watched RL on tv in the horrendously bad old days,or do you think more people watch rl now,in the sooper dooper days of sky ?.
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| Virtually a Sky monopoly though Bramley, can't see terrestrial free to air channels wanting to line a competitors pockets, because thats what they would have to do.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Virtually a Sky monopoly though Bramley, can't see terrestrial free to air channels wanting to line a competitors pockets, because thats what they would have to do.'"
I'm not privy to the negotiations between the RFL, IMG and the broadcasters but I don't remember reading that the BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 were showing that much of an interest in showing two SL games every week. That's why we have a Sky TV contract.
The only thing the BBC have shown a real interest in is the CC and internationals - and they have contracts for both.
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| Quote ="j.c"do you think more people watched RL on tv in the horrendously bad old days,or do you think more people watch rl now,in the sooper dooper days of sky ?.'"
Probably not, but TV viewer-ship of most sports has fallen since the 90s. Part of that is because of satellite TV but another, arguably bigger, aspect is that people have a much greater choice of things to do on Saturday afternoons.
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| Quote ="j.c"do you think more people watched RL on tv in the horrendously bad old days,or do you think more people watch rl now,in the sooper dooper days of sky ?.'"
Seriously, are you asking people to compare viewing figures from the days when the sport was shown on a free-to-air channel which had only two other channels for competition, before the days when Premier League football became the behemoth it is now, with current viewing figures on a pay-to-view channel?
You may as well be comparing the aardvark to the zebra.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Seriously, are you asking people to compare viewing figures from the days when the sport was shown on a free-to-air channel which had only two other channels for competition, before the days when Premier League football became the behemoth it is now, with current viewing figures on a pay-to-view channel?
You may as well be comparing the aardvark to the zebra.'"
i didn't begin this passage of posts.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Probably not, but TV viewer-ship of most sports has fallen since the 90s. Part of that is because of satellite TV but another, arguably bigger, aspect is that people have a much greater choice of things to do on Saturday afternoons.'"
i agree with you.but for people to make out that more people watch rl on tv now rather than then,dosen,t make sense to me ,thats all i was asking.
which do you think would get better veiwing figures,a RL game on the beeb or sky kicking off at 6.30pm on a saturday evening ?.
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| As far as viewing figures go it wouldn't matter what day or what time jc. Plus, you know the answer as does anyone else.
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