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| Oh dear,no charge.wonder if Wilkin puts an appology all over his social media.i won't hold my breath.
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| Knowles was an illegal tackle (s)
Leigh player a legal tackle
Thats easy to understand.
And no one wants a player injured only the sad ones do.
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| Well as Asiata was cited 3 times for the same type of tackle and received NFA on all 3 it means the tackle is okay. As it's a effective way of bringing down a big forward it will be copied. Expect a few more players to be out for the season from now on.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Mata'utia gets more than Shorrocks due to his record.
No one has called for a ban either, but you've not even read the post have you. The technique involved is incredibly dangerous and malicious. Your reaction is entirely because it was on St Helens player and you like the fact Paasi might have to retire as it helps your team.
If those two tackles were by Morgan Knowles, Twitter would have melted and it would be a very different story.'"
How can they possibly know already?
Literally making things up.
It’s really sad.
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"How can they possibly know already?
Literally making things up.
It’s really sad.'"
Not a surprise really
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| The tackle on Paasi was a copybook tackle on a big player to stop his momentum & get him to the deck. Tackling around the legs is how all kids were told to tackle when they started out. No-one, apart from Wilkin, from what I have seen, claimed it was career ending. Just repeated blindly by self-pitying fans.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Just repeated blindly by self-pitying fans.'"
Which is ironic really given that rather than question their own teams tackling techniques when they've received ban after ban, they've tried to claim some sort of conspiracy.
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| Quote ="tigertot"The tackle on Paasi was a copybook tackle'"
It's just not. Where has this idea come from? If you look at the physics involved, throwing his shoulder and all his body weight into the planted knee, opposite the direction he's running from, it can only result in injury. A 'copybook' tackle on the lower legs is where you place your head behind the knees and use your hands to grab the legs, taking the player down using his own momentum, so he falls in the direction he's running. Players aren't taught to drop their body weight and drive their shoulder through the knee joint at all.
If players started tackling like that, there would be horrific consequences. I'm convinced most people on here haven't even seen the tackles, the responses on here are so childish. I understand the Leigh fans being defensive, but I'm not talking about bans here, I've already said it''s not against the current rules. But there's an ethical angle to it, most players wouldn't tackle like that due to how likely it is to cause injury.
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| Planted knee FFS he was full tilt for the line, stop clutching at straws. You had the position and ball to have won handsomely, you didn’t because the opposition tackled like their life’s depended on it, and fairly, plus you are boring to watch these days
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"How can they possibly know already?
Literally making things up.
It’s really sad.'"
The initial diagnosis was 'severe damage to ACL, MCL and all associated tissues'. Wellens described his knee as 'blown to smithereens'. Walmsley is MCL. Hopefully the injuries won't be as bad as feared, but the signs aren't good.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It's just not. Where has this idea come from? If you look at the physics involved, throwing his shoulder and all his body weight into the planted knee, opposite the direction he's running from, it can only result in injury. A 'copybook' tackle on the lower legs is where you place your head behind the knees and use your hands to grab the legs, taking the player down using his own momentum, so he falls in the direction he's running. Players aren't taught to drop their body weight and drive their shoulder through the knee joint at all.
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I can't quickly find a video of the tackle, but my recollection is Paasi is storming towards the line. A leigh player takes him front on to clamp the ball; it is not physically possible for Asiata to tackle him any other way than from the side. First contact is with the thigh, not the knee. Paasi is still moving forwards, though it is possible/likely his foot was on the ground at the time of impact. I was a right shoulder tackler, so in a side tackle from that side, my head would have been in front of the legs. If it was the other side, my head would have been behind.
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| Im hoping St Helens dish out the same kind of tackles come September when they play Leigh. However, if they do and there are some injuries, i can see the meltdown on here already about how the tackles are illegal and the St Helens players who commited them should be banned for 44 years.
#TheRflIsBent
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Im hoping St Helens dish out the same kind of tackles come September when they play Leigh. However, if they do and there are some injuries, i can see the meltdown on here already about how the tackles are illegal and the St Helens players who commited them should be banned for 44 years.
#TheRflIsBent'"
Saints should wheel out Paasi in his wheelchair/hospital bed to give the brave boys in the Red Vee a pre-match Churchillian speech. That'll put the fear of God in the pretenders from the poor part of Wigan.
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| Saints SHOULD'VE been down to 12 men with that late challenge on Reynolds. That was worse than Shorrocks on Lewis.
Stop moaning, and move on.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Saints SHOULD'VE been down to 12 men with that late challenge on Reynolds. That was worse than Shorrocks on Lewis.
Stop moaning, and move on.'"
What is with these posts? No one is suggesting it altered the game. No one is crying over the result and no one is asking for Asiata to be banned either... It's the two mangled knee joints that is the concern. I hope he looks at the tackles himself and realises he's done wrong and doesn't do it to anyone else.
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| Accepting defeat is so hard for some.
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"Accepting defeat is so hard for some.'"
The level of childishness on here is remarkable. If you're not 13 and sing behind your phone screen, you're pathetic.
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| Paul Wellens:
"In my opinion, and I think very few would disagree with me, this weekend the governing body has failed in it's duty to protect it's players. On the weekend, we had four players injured by one player tackling in a reckless and dangerous manner. Alex Walmsley is having MCL surgery and will be out for twelve weeks. LMS will not play for two weeks probably. Paasi has torn ankle ligaments, torn MCL and will also undergo an operation. He will not play for a minimum of nine months. When making decisions not to charge players who are tackling in that manner, is that we give the green light for coaches and players at all levels to tackle like that. As I sit here now as someone who loves the game, that doesn't sit with me and it doesn't make me feel comfortable. I have an eight year old son who plays at Pilkington Recs, who plays the game with a smile on his face every week. But if that's the kind of tackle we're allowing in our game, then maybe rugby league isn't a game that I want my son playing anymore. I feel that strongly about it.
In Agnatius and Alex, we have two extremely disappointed, angry, upset players that they've been left in this position and the game hasn't protected them."
[urlhttps://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/st-helens-suffer-two-huge-season-ending-injuries-paul-wellens-calls-out-governing-bodys-failure-to-protect-players-following-controversial-tackles[/url
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| Quote ="tigertot"Saints should wheel out Paasi in his wheelchair/hospital bed to give the brave boys in the Red Vee a pre-match Churchillian speech. That'll put the fear of God in the pretenders from the poor part of Wigan.'"
What a shizer comment.
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| Now, I don't honestly care about punishing Asiata. He's cynically used a dangerous technique to try to win the game for his team. As it's technically not outside of the rules, it's hard to see any just punishment there. The rules do need to be clarified however and tackles like that attacking knee joints with the shoulder have to be made illegal moving forward. He's single handedly decimated a team in one game. Imagine if the whole league started doing it? It'd be an unmanageable bloodbath.
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| And hopefully the fallout from this sees the RFL sued and the MRP all sacked and the disciplinary process rewritten. It'll be interesting to see what would happen if Paasi took legal action against them for his injuries, particularly if he ultimately doesn't make a comeback.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Which is ironic really given that rather than question their own teams tackling techniques when they've received ban after ban, they've tried to claim some sort of conspiracy.'"
I've no problem with any of the bans given to Saints players this season what I do have a problem with is a bloke's ended the season of ywo players and nothing being done
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| Quote ="thesaint71"I've no problem with any of the bans given to Saints players this season what I do have a problem with is a bloke's ended the season of ywo players and nothing being done'"
The club needs to get official clarification from the RFL and Disciplinary that this type of "Cannonball Tackle" on the knee joint is legal and allowable. The club can then prepare for this type of technique to execute on Asiata in the home against Leigh.
I believe the scans on Passi's knee is showing up far worse than expected, 9 months is a bit optimistic its probably closer to a career ending situation.
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| Even before the Passi incident, I felt very uneasy and uncomfortable watching that lad tackle. A shocking technique, 2 season ending injuries and it could have been more. The passi one looked like a “throw whatever you’ve got at the man to defend your own line” and although he did a job, it’s come with consequences.
Made up for Leigh. I’m a Widnes fan and watching their development this year has been a breathe of fresh air, and I hope they go onto win something.
Not here to throw the book at anyone but at minimum, Leigh really need to work at Asiatas tackling technique before more get injured.
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| Think you should all go and watch the tackle on taylan may,and who did it,ended that lads season before it even started.
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