Bit harsh on Reece Lyne. A very good and more importantly, consistent player and we're net exactly blessed with quality centres ?

As for not being the best centre at Trinty, really ?

Definitely harsh. Lyne isn’t what I would call a classy centre but he is very hard working and consistently good. His yard gains are very good also along with his defence. I can only recall Lyne having one bad game in a wakey shirt. He works hard and does the basics to a good standard.

Quote ="Dave K."Are you going to start another thread? https://twitter.com/FevRoversRLFC/statu ... JMYUg&s=19'" Leulia is a centre and a lot quicker than Liam farrell Would love to see connor in front of Tompkins but he's miles off Tompkins as a player Connors effort last night on the last field try was just embarrassing just ran straight through him no step or anything The players expected Connor to tackle him as they only started sprinting again once he was passed him ... But no Connors awesome!

Quote ="Dave K."Are you going to start another thread? https://twitter.com/FevRoversRLFC/statu ... JMYUg&s=19'" Leulia is a centre and a lot quicker than Liam farrell Would love to see connor in front of Tompkins but he's miles off Tompkins as a player Connors effort last night on the last field try was just embarrassing just ran straight through him no step or anything The players expected Connor to tackle him as they only started sprinting again once he was passed him ... But no Connors awesome!

Yeah but need more than that to beat aussies nz and Tonga

Players like percival, king, Newman, Griffin are a lot better than

Would even have players like hardaker and welsby above him as well

Are Jake Connor fans seriously picking this week to question Sam TOMKINS defence ?

State of Connors “attempt” on Field.

Tomkins is better at every facet of the game but maybe most importantly his leadership, will to win attitude and 10+ years of big performances in big games.

Young Jack Welsby could be challenging Connor and Tomkins for that position towards the end of the season. Great win attitude and some big performances in 3 finals so far, very creative player can also play in any back position with no drop off in performance.

I don't care too much about who does and doesn't play where, I just want some representive rugby games to watch.

I'd happily sacrifice club rugby to put the international game first.

An annual 5 nations tournament with England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and France. And a 3 series origin game Yorkshire vs the North West.

Build it and they will come.

Agree 100% in the squad for sure!

Will be an England regular for the next decade.

Welsby is a cracking prospect, playing in a very, very good St Helens side.
Not sure he is in the same bracket as either Tomkins or Connor at this stage, although his temperament is streets ahead of both of them.

Mind you, his heroics in the GF to chase a lost cause and win the game will certainly live long in the memory.

Of course Welsby isn’t. He’s best part of 10 years younger than both of them.

Welsby is the most gifted rugby player England has produced since Lomax.

He also not a grub like the other 2. He also prefers quiet nights in with his missus rather than abusing barmaids

I dont want to pee on your chips but, the young Sam Tomkins had skills that I havent seen from Welsby.
Btw, I'm not knocking the lad, he's a very, very good player.

It will be interesting to see where Saints and Welsby believe his best long term position is.

In attack welsby doesnt have sam's step for sure, but defensively they are both similar players.

Do you see him long term as a FB or perhaps closer to the middle, either in the halves or maybe loose forward (eventually) ?

I think he will stay where he is in a Billy Slater style floating FB pos.

He was pretty much invisible today. Apart from his attempt at Oscar winning penalty winning performances.

Why do so many people put a 'P' in the middle of Sam Tomkins name???

It really is a strange phenomenon.

I always spell his name Rat Boy its easier and most know who it is.

Welsby looks a better prospect for the full back position in the England Squad can also play any position in the back line.

Which channel were you watching ?

He had an excellent game. Mind you, so did the other 16 Saints players.
Their pack was immense but, every player was pretty much 9 or 10/10.

Mind you, they dont seem to worry too much about passing backwards

Tomkins is still one of the best in the business.

Who are your wingers for the World Cup?

Makinson is the top dog, then you have the experienced wingers who have been there before and are still in decent nik, Hall and McGilvary. The untried in Davies and Johnstone and then there's the big lad at Newcastle Knights, Young.

If Tomkins is gonna be full back, as captain that seems certain. Then Welsby could also be a wing option.

Wane has chosen Marshall in his recent squad, I'm not sure I'd put him in front of the players I've already mentioned.

I wasn’t watching a channel- I was watching Connor die on the field when it mattered. again.
Do keep up. This thread is about Connor is it not????

Connor has many skills but is let down big time with his lack of pace and his inability to control his mouth. He isn't in my opinion a full back but hasn't really shown any coach where his best position is..

For me he hasn’t been developed properly. He had the raw talent but at the point in his career where he should have been really concentrating on cementing a position and making it his own, he was flirting between many positions and allowed to just continue to “wing it”. He has never matured as a player so the raw skill exists but without the refinement it should have by now.

You're still upset he turned his back on you, aren't you. He doesn't choose where he plays, he plays where the coach tells him too and this player has the ability to win matches on his own and has proved it. Of course he'll make mistakes as does every player in every club but we forgive him for that because his positives are far greater than his negatives.

Obviously this would come down to who is fit at the end of the season.

My FB for England would be Tomkins. He’s still imo the best we’ve got.

After that there’s a number in contention.

Jake Connor is good and has proven against NZ he can step up to the international game. Imo it will come down to whether he fits in with the culture that Wane is trying to create with England.

100% Welsby should be in the squad, whether he makes the team im not sure, we’ll see how he goes for the rest of the season. Great young player and versatile which is invaluable.

Ratchford and Widdop are both good options, the latter has done well in the past but both are in poor form in a struggling Warrington side. Plenty of time for that to change though.

I’m a big fan of Niall Evalds, very underrated imo.