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| Quote ="RagingBull"To answer the original post.
YES undoubtedly!'"
Bless, at least rubbish Leigh will be guaranteed 4 points when they play Bradford Bulls next season.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I'm wondering if the jump from the championship to SL is just too much. Maybe a years grace should be given to promoted sides to settle the club for a 2nd year 'dig'.'"
This certainly has been suggested in the past, and was suggested by Lenegan when musing over changes to the current system. There is of course the alternative view that other clubs don't want every other year with no promotion.
Last time Leigh went up and straight down the problem was the play off system caused that, they actually managed 11th.
I'd leave ambitious clubs to have a whole year to build and go up........Leigh issue is the lateness of their promotion and they asked for this.....
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| Quote ="snowie"You have to understand it's all he's got why else would he keep reinventing him self, sad isn't it'"
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| Quote ="Willzay"His mother doesn’t let him out of the basement that much.'"
I wonder if he "signs on" multiple times, under his various pseudonyms. He's probably loaded.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"
I fear that we will make minor changes as there's just a fear of change and a reluctance from super League clubs to vote in what's best for the sport long term over what's best for themselves. Citing quality as the reasoning why we should not expand we may dilute the talent pool initially but we will now have more sides training up potential players. I refuse to believe that we are finding every super League quality player or potential super League player from the lower leagues let alone at amateue and youth level as we only have the capacity to have X amount due to there being a low number of sides at the top level of the sport !!!
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An interesting post.
I think there would be a lot of support for a league with no "third fixtures". Also no marquee allowances etc to give the richer clubs more of an advantage.
OK Superleague may have introduced these things over the years to give SKY bigger and allegedly more attractive content, but if SKY aren't that bothered any more and are paying less then 14 English clubs all starting off on an even salary cap may well see more SKY subs sold in Bradford, Halifax, Widnes etc.
More derbies to sell as well........ Widnes/Wire Bradford/Halifax etc
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| I dont know if Leigh are the worst ever SL team, only time will tell on that one.
However, compared to other clubs, they've certainly had the least time to prepare for the top flight, which is a huge disadvantage, especially for the first part of the season.
It's difficult to know who would be available but, I might have expected more in the way of players coming in, although, there may still be time..
Having said that, I'm sure that their application for the "golden ticket" will have said that they were absolutely ready and able to compete.
Would they have been better trying to gain promotion through the GF and then recruiting in the usual manner or, was this a chance too good to pass by.
Also, would any of the other applicants have fared any better. Again, only time will tell.
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| Some interesting posts here. More ideas than the RL have has in years. Think the references to SL clubs protecting short term interests is right. Think whoever would have been promoted we would have been in same position. The lure of SL was to much to turn down, retrospectively the champ clubs should have negotiated the terms as they had some leverage at the time. When teams step on to effectively save RFL face should be some incentive. The lower budget on top of prep time was killer.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I dont know if Leigh are the worst ever SL team, only time will tell on that one.
However, compared to other clubs, they've certainly had the least time to prepare for the top flight, which is a huge disadvantage, especially for the first part of the season.
It's difficult to know who would be available but, I might have expected more in the way of players coming in, although, there may still be time..
Having said that, I'm sure that their application for the "golden ticket" will have said that they were absolutely ready and able to compete.
[uWould they have been better trying to gain promotion through the GF and then recruiting [/uin the usual manner or, was this a chance too good to pass by.
Also, would any of the other applicants have fared any better. Again, only time will tell.'"
Great post Wrenners . With only less than 2k fans turning up at the LSV, the proof is in the pudding but, it looks like that the pudding doesn't taste good, hence the attendance. I agree with the part i have put in bold and underlined in your post. Having said that hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Great post Wrenners
. With only less than 2k fans turning up at the LSV, the proof is in the pudding but, it looks like that the pudding doesn't taste good, hence the attendance. I agree with the part i have put in bold and underlined in your post. Having said that hindsight is a wonderful thing.'"
I've said before that, if/when Leigh get their best 13/17 on the pitch, they will win some games and still believe that they will.
The debacle at Toronto, coupled with covid and basically no Championship rugby last season made the situation extremely difficult and in fairness, there was no certainty of Championship rugby this season, which would have been an absolute killer.
Therefore, as you rightly say, Leigh had no choice but to throw their cap in the ring.
Personally, I think that Fev, on the basis of the GF defeat the previous season, were "heir apparent" and really the SL spot should have been theirs to refuse.
Having said that, with the depth of DB's pockets and Leigh's ability to be able to start and finish the season, it's easy to understand why they got the nod.
Leigh have some great fans and an excellent ground and I hope that you can some how survive, obviously not at Trinity's expense
Enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully, I may get to watch Your lads take on the Mighty Trin at your place.
I'll buy you a pint if we do
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| Well Degsy certainly wasnt expecting them to be this bad. In his interview with Brain Carney before the 1st game of the season he said that after 6 games no one would consider Leigh relegation candidates and they would be comfortable in mid table at that point.
Yet here we are 11 games in they are winless conceeding 38 points a game on average
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I've said before that, if/when Leigh get their best 13/17 on the pitch, they will win some games and still believe that they will.
The debacle at Toronto, coupled with covid and basically no Championship rugby last season made the situation extremely difficult and in fairness, there was no certainty of Championship rugby this season, which would have been an absolute killer.
Therefore, as you rightly say, Leigh had no choice but to throw their cap in the ring.
Personally, I think that Fev, on the basis of the GF defeat the previous season, were "heir apparent" and really the SL spot should have been theirs to refuse.
Having said that, with the depth of DB's pockets and Leigh's ability to be able to start and finish the season, it's easy to understand why they got the nod.
Leigh have some great fans and an excellent ground and I hope that you can some how survive, obviously not at Trinity's expense
Enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully, I may get to watch Your lads take on the Mighty Trin at your place.
I'll buy you a pint if we do
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Can't disagree with that mate. Now then, Sun 12th September with a 3pm kick off, I'll be in the Centurion Pub @ 1pm to receive my pint off you. Hopefully we can talk about both Leigh & Trin surviving the drop. No doubt Trin will tho.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Or we can just slag of your pie eating neighbours
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Of course, be rude not to.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
No Championship team should have accepted the offer to play in Super League this season.
It was stacked against any club going up at such short notice and with only half the TV money that other Super League clubs get
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| Quote ="Poky"Leigh recruited for the championship expecting to be playing there so it’s a bit unfair on them.
I would say, over the length of SL based on a number of factors like league finish, support, stadium, quality of academy etc it’s easily out of Wakefield and Salford for worst ever SL team'"
Why do you do it ? does getting a response equal a pull off ???
New stadium grand finalists challenge cup finalists made the playoffs, all from a team who's playing group is so poor the rest of the money teams strip our playing assets season after season after season, what would these clubs with elite acadamies do without us Convict boy.
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| Promoting them has been completely pointless. Brought no new TV viewers or sponsors to the table. They were always on a hiding to nothing and given the situation its not like they've been able to welcome thousands of fans in. Any players who have performed well will fancy their chances of finding an SL club when they contract becomes void with relegation and Leigh are back at square one.
Would have been far better to have gone with 11 teams this year, spread the million pound out to help with Covid losses. Could have made the team one the 'bye week' be on standby until say Wednesday night to help with the covid disruption.
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| It was degsy's ego that made him take promotion when it was so stacked against. It wasn't forced on him so I don't have a lot of sympathy other than for the fans.
On the point of staying up, hkr have done it twice so it's possible, giving a years grace just makes an uneven competition more uneven
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
We know you have an obsession with Leigh Centurions, but surely this question can only be answered at the end of the season, but you already knew that, eh ?
If we don't win one game, then most definitely.
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| Quote ="barham red"It was degsy's ego that made him take promotion when it was so stacked against. It wasn't forced on him so I don't have a lot of sympathy '"
Hang on - several club chairmen applied to get that SL place so why single out Mr. Beaumont?
That spare place in Superleague attracted a string of chairmen including some whose teams had even less chance of survival than Leigh.....
"Ego" doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Several chairmen saw it as a good move. The question is Why??
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| Promotion and relegation isn't working but Leigh really were up against the it before a ball was even kicked.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Hang on - several club chairmen applied to get that SL place so why single out Mr. Beaumont?
That spare place in Superleague attracted a string of chairmen including some whose teams had even less chance of survival than Leigh.....
"Ego" doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Several chairmen saw it as a good move. The question is Why??'"
Add those in as well, the only possible reason I can think anyone would have gone for this was either, misplaced hope of being competitive or a belief promotion / relegation would be scrapped.
The sensible move was to hold back, fund this year's squad and push for promotion. Leigh along with the others had virtually no chance of competing this year with the hand they've been dealt.
This year could push leigh back 3 years in reality
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"We know you have an obsession with Leigh Centurions, but surely this question can only be answered at the end of the season, but you already knew that, eh ?
If we don't win one game, then most definitely.'"
I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect (Listening to his rant at the weekend) that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect (Listening to his rant at the weekend) that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.'"
I wouldn't be surprised if Robert Elstone was the biggest Champion of having Leigh in Super League. As a business man Degsy should have seen the pit full's of going into Super League under the conditions that they did. Also as well there are rumours going around that some Leigh players have already been tapped up by some other clubs for next season.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect [u(Listening to his rant at the weekend)[/u that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.'"
Which will now mean more fans saying F*** It
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| Quote ="Cokey"Which will now mean more fans saying F*** It'"
What did he say?
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