And Father Christmas lives in Lapland Finland so it must be true eh ? What's so hard to understand, Old Trafford is in errr Trafford that has nothing to do with the City of Manchester.

[iGreater Manchester is a metropolitan county and combined authority area in North West England, with a population of 2.8 million.[2 It encompasses one of the largest metropolitan areas in the United Kingdom and comprises ten metropolitan boroughs: Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, and the cities of Manchester and Salford. Greater Manchester was created on 1 April 1974 as a result of the Local Government Act 1972, and designated a functional city region on 1 April 2011.[/i

Let's just call them Greater Manchester Lions then.

I thought Wigan was in Leigh?

If anything and this wouldn't at all be controversial at all, if Swinton were to defer to a city status a better bet would be Salford Lions. After all Swinton is part of that city, Salford is administered from 'Swinton' Town Hall.

Seriously, what’s wrong with you people. It’s in Manchester. You have simply chosen one narrow definition of Manchester simply for bizarre internet d|ck measuring contests.
In the same way as London is not defined simply as the tiny area of the City of London.

In common usage, in postal terms, in a myriad of other usages it’s in Manchester. But carry on with this batsh|ttedry if you like fellas. Much like Jean Capdouze it’s both strange and unnecessary.

I like your take on it and would give it ten out of ten.

The only problem I have is that it is completely wrong.

What is wrong with you, there is no need to cover up your lack of knowledge with this kind of tripe?

There really is no need for it particularly from someone from West Yorkshire with all that county's close nit rivalries, where you come from seems to matter to you on home ground but not anywhere else it seems. Unlike you I wouldn't like to offer an uninformed view on where a place 'is' particularly if you should consider a post code as a valid method of choosing where you live or your rugby team's name (look up St Helens)

I do understand that the term Manchester does extend beyond it's city boundaries, it's a regional centre of commerce and influence. Indeed, when travelling abroad and asked where I am from I start with I'm from Manchester despite residing IN Salford, as until the advent of the BBC move, Salford was deemed to be and it seems still is by your cockeyed standards, part of Manchester (is Bradford in Leeds BTW?) If the response is whereabouts, the standard answer would be well not actually Manchester I live in Salford and if asked again where, then I'd tell that person it was Salford itself or a distinguishable town within Salford and Swinton is an an example of this.

You or others may correct me here, but, in terms of Leeds, Hunslet rebranding as Leeds South might be acceptable as they have a Leeds Post Code but more importantly are in the City of Leeds from an administrative POV. Swinton has an M postcode but so does the rest Salford, parts of Trafford and Wigan none of these are administered by Manchester. The Old Trafford 'debate' further debunks your Post Code 'lottery' theory as the Borough of Trafford has both M and WA post codes.

Sorry for the length of my "batery" I suppose you will continue to live up to that old adage "You can always tell a Yorkshireman but you can't........"

Manchester is a funny place for this.

I’m a Mancunian, was born at St Mary’s Hospital in the city centre and have lived in Manchester and Trafford at different times in my life. I personally don’t feel I have ever lived outside Manchester at any point even though, strictly speaking, Trafford is not Manchester.

Manchester Trafford and Salford are three different boroughs. Salford its own city. And if you’d asked this question in the 1990s I’d have said that all three were different places. However like what happened in London (and Stoke, and Salford when it swallowed up towns like Swinton), Manchester has outgrown the borders of the boroughs and is a Metropolis, not a city.

In terms of the Global City Index, Manchester encompasses all areas of Greater Manchester except for the Northern towns of the county (Wigan Bolton Bury and Rochdale) as a Metropolis. Salford Trafford Manchester Oldham Tameside and Stockport is one continuous conurbation. Anyone calling any of those areas “Manchester” wouldn’t be wrong apart from in a sense of the outdated made up 1974 borough lines on a map.

So Old Trafford isn’t in Manchester but it is.

As for Bury, due to the geographical nature of the conurbation, it is not part of the Manchester conurbation because of the definite disconnect of Wigan Bolton Bury and Rochdale from that conurbation. However, Bury is part of Greater Manchester, the Greater Manchester Built-up area and the Manchester Statutory City Region (which actually also includes Warrington and Macclesfield as well as other areas). So Manchester Lions? Fine by me!

Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense to me I live 'here'.

I don't really have a problem with Old Trafford being described as being in Manchester or Swinton for that matter I wasn't arguing from a definitive sense that our pals from Yorkshire seemed to be using post codes as a guide added to the fact that Prestwich is in Bury but physically 'attached' to Salford, the same with Wigan's Tyldesley and half of modern Oldham still think that they are Yorkshire it's definitely not simple.

It's about perception and a sense of where you think that you belong given the boundary commision changes that matter I've always gone for Warrington Lancs rather than Cheshire. Parts of Trafford the Cheshire bits have a WA postcode Altrincham however Sale historically Cheshire (south of the Mersey) has a Manchester code St Helens has a Warrington Code but would always be considered Lancs or Merseyside.....

There's been some pointless arguments on here over the years, but this is right up. I now think it must've been what Jacob Reese-Mogg was reading in parliament the other day.

Bread cakes, always has been, always will be.

Mancunian supporting Wire? What happened to people supporting their local team? Nothing to do with the teams nearest to your upbringing being sh*t by any chance?

A lot of local, but non-Salfordian, City fans who like rugby league have never been able to get into that “Reds” side of Salford. I know a few Salford lads who are City fans and Salford Red Devils fans but it never sat right with me. We weren’t even allowed red sauce on our bacon butties as kids in our house on derby day and still have no red in my wardrobe!

And I always preferred league to union so Sale weren’t for me neither.

Plus I did work experience with Wire while I did my degree in Warrington and used to get to games at Wildespool for free whilst doing it. So it came from there.

As a kid I was a Great Britain RL fan rather than any club. That’s why I’m so pleased they’re back this Autumn and hope they’re here to stay!

Your choice but poor excuse there are plenty of blues fans (i know several season ticket holders at the Emptyhad) who support the Reds, more United of course and a fair few Ammies.

You KNOW its a barm flipping cake you lickle tinker.
And it's certainly not a Teacake. They have currants in.





And i had to edit that 3 times because of the assorted bread products Nazis

No in hull it’s a bread cake

I hope the Lions keep going and don't end up going the same way as Blackpool.

Barm cake is indeed the bread product you have for a chip barm.

I know a few North Mancunians who call them muffins but to me a muffin has blueberry or chocolate chips in.

A tea ale has currents in.

a cake wih ale in it and electricity running through, how odd!

Don’t know what happened there, I put b-a-r-m-c-a-k-e-s as my first word and it changed it to “assorted bread products”, it went downhill from there.

it made me chuckle on an otherwise overcast day!

Manchester LIons won't be happening now after all...but the **** really has hit the fan ! https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/boa ... IS2sEzhfBA

Manchester LIons won't be happening now after all...but the **** really has hit the fan ! https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/boa ... IS2sEzhfBA

Not good..

Quote ="Budgiezilla"Manchester LIons won't be happening now after all...but the **** really has hit the fan ! https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/boa ... IS2sEzhfBA'" This sort of rubbish is why our sport fails. It is a name change.

Quote ="Budgiezilla"Manchester LIons won't be happening now after all...but the **** really has hit the fan ! https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/boa ... IS2sEzhfBA'" This sort of rubbish is why our sport fails. It is a name change.

I am appalled to hear this news. Granted, it's not my club that is enduring a name change, but I honestly believe it would be best for the club to move forward. Andy Mazey and his fellow directors, (as well as the coaching staff and players) have made huge strides recently to stabilise the club off the pitch, and make significant moves forward, on the pitch. I believe that the Board had identified a shrewd opportunity to take advantage of any potential new TV deal for the Championship

I don't know the other Directors, but I do know Andy, as a passionate RL fan, of great integrity, who has been working tirelessly for the good of the club, and who should be applauded for his efforts. There is no place in life, let alone sport, for personal abuse and threats. Those making the threats should be ashamed of themselves, and ask themselves if they want a club to support, whatever its name.

If I were a Swinton fan right now, I would be gathering as much support as possible, to try and persuade the Board to withdraw its collective resignation.