The only way that 2 divisions of SL can possibly work is if we were to have 2 conferences, East and Wast for the sake of argument and then the top clubs from each half competed at the end of the season.
Super League 1 & 2 sounds ok in theory but, SL 2 would just be The Championship by another name

Add Gary Schofield to that list. His attitude towards Toronto was a disgrace.

You’ve not worded that well and will upset a few, but you’re correct in your main gist

On BBC Radio Manchester the other week on the weekly Thursday night RL show, the Manchester Rangers chairmen were on the show saying they have long term plans for Super League and have good/serious backers and even hinted on something saying “and you never know, if we ever get to that top level Manchester City might even get involved”

The key to a full time two divisions success is to get rid of the cap and introduce minimum spends, those unable or unwilling to make that financial commitment simply wouldn't be in it, that makes it very different to what we have now

Just imagine the scene, in like 30 years the super league grand final being played in north america, boston v wigan in front of 80,000.

I don't think the Americans will want to play for long against a load of no mark towns they've never heard of. Leeds might - might - be palatable, but no other English town or city with a current Super League club matters to anyone other than the people who live there. The Yanks will have heard of London obviously and no doubt Liverpool and Manchester too because of high profile football teams from those cities as well as bands like the Beatles. After that you're looking at Birmingham and then maybe the likes of Leeds and Newcastle. They won't have the slightest clue where Wigan, St Helens or Warrington are or be thrilled at the prospect of taking on their finest!

I am a massive TW/EP fan.......but I suggest caution. With no freebies, beer tents, hot-dog shooting guns and unilateral assault on the media, London Broncos achieved 5,699 in season 1......before we get all get "moist" about north america, let's see how they fare in the next few seasons before breaking out the champagne.

In fairness, I don't think that many Americans would know much about Green Bay, Wisconsin, had it not been for the football team.

As long as the product is entertaining, I don't think the North Americans are overly bothered about the cities that the teams come from. And whilst most North Americans probably only know where London is, marketed properly, you could very easily sell teams like Wigan and St Helens to them - from what I've seen watching college football, they have a thing for romantacising about sporting history.

The same wrongheaded argument could be made for places like Wisconsin, Green Bay or Hamilton; plenty of people in the actual countries they are in would know or care nothing about them in principal - so that's hardly a barrier; a few weeks ago for example, two NFL games were played at Wembley, between 4 teams from places that the vast majority of Brits would know or care nothing about, with a combined attendance of 165,000.

I can't see any downside to a genuine effort to establish a North American League; they have a massive supply of college athletes, access to a ginormous and lucrative broadcast and advertising market, and an annoying habit of putting on a hell of a show. ESL should support their efforts by helping to fast-track some of these development teams into SL - by growing the numbers - not at the expense of existing clubs.

The longer term upside could be that people like Perez would eventually grow weary of dealing with amateur committee men like Big Nige, and maybe install some proper leadership that would actually take the sport forwards. I look forward to seeing Castleford Tigers take a knee during Sweet Caroline.

conferences are the obvious answer.
it works for the rugby union in aus/nz/sa
three 6 team conferences - play the teams in your conference twice and the other teams once.
lot's of local derbies - fans have fewer big trips away - etc etc

What a stupid statement!

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King James

Don't respond to anyone who signs off their post with their username.

The fact that Hamilton is viewed as a targeted location is encouraging. Rugby League needs to look for gaps in the sporting market. Looking at this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in ... n,_Ontario ...the only professional sporting team in Hamilton is a Canadian Football league team (the "other" code of American Football). It is conceivable that a successful Rugby League team could become the biggest sports team in the town. Too often, RL administrators have looked at a big name cities like London and Paris and not considered what a team would have to compete with.

The fact that Hamilton is viewed as a targeted location is encouraging. Rugby League needs to look for gaps in the sporting market. Looking at this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in ... n,_Ontario ...the only professional sporting team in Hamilton is a Canadian Football league team (the "other" code of American Football). It is conceivable that a successful Rugby League team could become the biggest sports team in the town. Too often, RL administrators have looked at a big name cities like London and Paris and not considered what a team would have to compete with.

Even if they were almost equal in salary cap spend, which is a gigantic IF, SL 2 would always be second tier RL.
The top flight isn't exactly blessed with cash so, how thinly do you want to share out the pittance that SL gets from Sky ??
The current deal certainly wont fund 20 or 24 clubs and the cold hard facts are that not enough people are interested in second tier RL, especially those who run TV companies.

To take your point about those who couldn't fund it wont be in it, do you really think there are 8 clubs outside SL who could fund full time squads, without significant TV cash.
Leigh, Toronto and maybe Toulouse.

Sorry, it's a non runner.

If this thing takes off like people are suggesting, Wigan wouldn't be anywhere near the final!

You say that but I was chatting to a wizard (true story) in one of the parks in Florida in '05 and he asked me where I was from. Told him Wigan and he knew about the Wigan v St Helens derby. Was a yank too.

That's impressive. On the few occasions I've spoken to Americans abroad, the nearest I could get to Wakefield to pinpoint where I was from was London because of the Queen, Manchester because of Manchester United, and Nottingham because of Robin Hood!

I was in the Dominican Republic a few years ago talking to an American student, he was aware of most SL teams, that was just from the hour of Sky Sports News they get on a certain channel over there.

Every League needs a Swinton!



Another Chicago team for me to support now alongside the Cubs, Bears, Bulls & Blackhawks!

I don't

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King James

I'd imagine that if RL starts to take off in NA the ineptitude of the RFL will hand the opportunity on a plate to the NRL.

The NRL aren't that much smarter than the RFL......and their clubs are just as insular as ours. North America, if it were to embrace the sport, would be better served running its own game.

Oh, you never know, some Americans may just have heard of other places. Take Hull for instance. Some may just have heard of William Wilberforce given that he decided to start the movement for the abolition of slavery. Or J Arthur Rank. I think he may have started a little film company over there.

wizards are good at geography, its in their job description