When I write something that is not in the interests of woeful Wakefield, its supporters such as yourself and "Wildthing" immediately accuse me of trolling. This is a pathetic reaction.

Which claim did I make that is demonstrably false?

None, of course. I am telling a painful truth to the fans of the under-supported and antiquated clubs like woeful Wakefield and silly Salford --- i.e. that a new international dynamism is in the works, and that the more popular non-English clubs such as Toulouse and Toronto (and hopefully Montreal and Avignon thereafter) will soon vanquish the boring, has been English clubs from their places in Super League.

they probably did but that would mean less giants fans in those attendances so they wont want to admit it

Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Based on these figures: the18thman.com/2016/09/28/super- ... ew-2016/2/ Toulouse and Toronto will easily surpass the attendance figures of Salford and Wakefield, by more than double. They will also significantly outperform the likes of Widnes and Huddersfield. Toronto's advanced season ticket sales for League One are already at least equal to the average total attendances of Super League's Salford. Thus the admission of Toulouse and Toronto into Super League, at the expense of Salford, Wakefield, Widnes etc. will surely lead to a very significant increase in Super League attendance figures.'" Yes, I remember Fulham in the 80's (15000 first game), Cardiff (10000 first game) and even 6000 in Kent, all non top tier 1st games as a club. Carlisle had a few good thousand too, and they gained promotion. PSG ? Was it around 20000 when they played Sheffield in their first ever SL game ? was soon to be 900 or so ! Lets not get too giddy here. Consistency is the key. Once Toronto reach a division to lose a few (I think Toulouse will lose a considerable amount of games next year), we will soon see the attendances drop just like the above clubs from the 80's and mid 90's.

Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Based on these figures: the18thman.com/2016/09/28/super- ... ew-2016/2/ Toulouse and Toronto will easily surpass the attendance figures of Salford and Wakefield, by more than double. They will also significantly outperform the likes of Widnes and Huddersfield. Toronto's advanced season ticket sales for League One are already at least equal to the average total attendances of Super League's Salford. Thus the admission of Toulouse and Toronto into Super League, at the expense of Salford, Wakefield, Widnes etc. will surely lead to a very significant increase in Super League attendance figures.'" Yes, I remember Fulham in the 80's (15000 first game), Cardiff (10000 first game) and even 6000 in Kent, all non top tier 1st games as a club. Carlisle had a few good thousand too, and they gained promotion. PSG ? Was it around 20000 when they played Sheffield in their first ever SL game ? was soon to be 900 or so ! Lets not get too giddy here. Consistency is the key. Once Toronto reach a division to lose a few (I think Toulouse will lose a considerable amount of games next year), we will soon see the attendances drop just like the above clubs from the 80's and mid 90's.

Leigh have always travelled well, irrespective of division or position. I can see 1500-2000 travelling to Cas.

St Helens, Widnes, Wigan, Salford and Wire will all greatly benefit. It could well offset the support of HKR, but they will be a huge miss because they too travel well.

I see Wigan highest attendance last season was 20k v Saints. The 20k may have been surpassed if it wasn't on Sky v Leigh

Leigh are on at least 13 times next season. I think that will reduce Leighs average considerably as i would expect the Wigan / Wire and saints games being near sell outs. Would be intersting to see the figures should Leigh get off to a half decent start.

The championship is a great division, and attendances should see a huge boost next year with HKRs introduction.

The Championship is great you are right! In a way I am glad Hull KR came down instead of Salford because some of the Champ teams will lose a lot of revenue losing a lot of Leigh's great travelling support! But in Hull KR they will almost certainly get that now which is good! The Bulls travel in numbers everywhere we go so it will be great to see two well supported teams face each other next season!

That's because you are a troll and that's why nobody bothers with your silly nonsense anymore.

Like all poor jokes trolling has a very short lifespan and yours is well past it's sell by date. My advice is give it up now it's over, there's a good boy.

As usual vastman cannot deal with the substance of my carefully crafted argument.

Just dismisses it all as trolling and gets back to celebrating the parochial club that still plays at that rat-hole called Bell Vue.

The fact is that the forces of globalism and modernity -- Toulouse and Toronto -- are coming, and antiquated parochials like woeful Wakefield, silly Salford and witless Widnes will all be swept away in the storm.

Your first line says it all - you're a troll looking for an argument - problem is nobody can be bothered anymore. You and all your previous incarnation are a spent force, it's actually quite sad watching you flounder like Kevin the teenager, ever more desperate to gain attention.

Yet you keep giving him it.

Well thats where your wrong



I'm not arguing his points in some futile debate am I, thus I'm not giving him the attention he craves - I'm infuriating him which is much more fun.

You'd have realised that if you were smart but now you've given him a crumb of comfort - well done

Smart enough to understand the difference between "your" and "you're", though.

JUST PUT HIM ON IGNORE....AND FOR CHRIST SAKE STOP QUOTING HIS POSTS SO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT AND MUTED THE "CRAP DOZEY" DON'T HAVE TO SEE HIS RAMBLINGS

Not many. It is expensive to fly from Toulouse to northern England every other week. It is exorbitantly expensive to fly from Toronto to Manchester several times a year, and then stay over for several weeks in a hotel. Who can afford to do that? Certainly not anyone with a job.

I'll tell you something Jean - there is a good change that Toronto might pick up a few fans based in England. They will be playing games on block and based in Bradford, some fans might want to check 'em out. I will certainly be going to a game or two to see what all the fuss is about.

I thought the Bradford thing fell through? Not saying you're wrong btw, I can see them picking up a modest following of UK based fans.

You're right, the shared base with the Bulls fell through, but they'll now be training at Brighouse Rangers.

2016:
V Hull 4,143 (1,200)
V Cas 5,741 ( 1,319)

2015:
Hull 7,737 ( 2,355)
Cas 5,257 (770)
Cas (8's) 5,350 (874)

2014:
Hull 6,370 (819)
Cas 7,195 (1,713)

2013:
Hull 5,536 (719)
Cas 5,733 ( 774)
Hull (PO's) 5,547 (1,309)

2012:
Hull 9,950 (1,800)
Cas 6,928 (173)

Including 2005 when they brought 100 to the Galpharm?

And when people say ( insert club) travel in numbers? how are "numbers" defined? ALL clubs travel in numbers, some clubs have good support at most games relative speaking, others don't, for example, Huddersfield took over 1000 to Batley, which for us is good numbers, but yet we took just over 100 to Hull which isn't so good, so can i claim that we take good numbers based on Batley?
I saw a Bradford fan claiming they took "good numbers" everywhere, but again, it's all relative isn't it? For example, Bradford's last away game was at Workington, the crowd was 596, so how many Bradford fans travelled? 100-200? would that be classed as good numbers? yet for other clubs taking 100 -200 to Workington could be seen as poor?
See my point? All clubs are capable of taking big followings, as equally as they are capable of taking poor followings.

Three official coaches left Leigh that day so where does that figure come from? the back end of 2005 has been erased from the history books btw. What was the support in the previous meeting in 2002/3??

On topic Yorkshire will probably suffer where HKR took over 1000, Thurs/Fri M6 travel as we know does not motivate you to make the effort most games. Cas can expect 1500/2000 for the opener and our first home game will be 8k+

It was a rounded figure, it was certainly no more than 150, but just replying to a Leigh poster who claimed Leigh take big followings wherever and whatever, clearly, that day proved they don't!
2002, you brought decent followings, but you were doing well, 2005 you weren't just it proves the point.

Hull Kr, have only brought over 1000 once in the last 5 years, so i doubt we would really miss their support, Leigh will probably bring more, but then again, KR brought big numbers for the first 2/3 years until the novelty wore off.

Which dwarfed the pathetic following you brought to the LSV this year.

Fair enough if you think 573 is smaller than 150

Just out of interest, when you quote figures for away support, that can only include the numbers in the stand behind the sticks and doesn't include other away fans who may be in the main stand or, heaven forbid, in with your lot down the other side of the ground ?

Also, 1000 fans out of an attendance of 5000 is a significant number, I'm not sure that any club would want to get flippant over that number of fans turning up.