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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"Neither do I but I have a decent internet connection.
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| Quote ="moto748"Bit rich of Kidwell to complain about the conditions; NZ isn't exactly Arizona. I've watched plenty of games in filthy conditions at Mount Smart Stadium.'"
The commentators were as bad the way they were going on about New Zealand not being used to the conditions I was starting to think it had moved nearer to the equator than the south pacific ocean.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Hopefully the Aussies don't see much point in Sunday now but I wouldn't bank on it!
Maybe we could play out a friendly draw like the Danes and Swedes in the 1982 football World Cup.'"
The draw between Denmark and Sweden was in the 2004 European Championships. A 2-2 draw would send both through and they promptly drew 2-2. Someone in the crowd had a banner that said '2-2 - A victory for Scandinavia'.
Fantastic result for the Scotland team tonight, as someone else said though it's a shame it won't make the papers (or news bulletins) tomorrow due to the soccer international.
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| Fantastic effort by Scotland
What will happen to the domestic game and grassroots in Scotland in the next couple of years?
Hopefully the game is able to develop even if it is on a small scale, perhaps in a few seasons a semi pro side in League One may help matters
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| Quote ="wiganermike"The draw between Denmark and Sweden was in the 2004 European Championships. A 2-2 draw would send both through and they promptly drew 2-2. Someone in the crowd had a banner that said '2-2 - A victory for Scandinavia'.
Fantastic result for the Scotland team tonight, as someone else said though it's a shame it won't make the papers (or news bulletins) tomorrow due to the soccer international.'"
the game has decent prominence on the guardian sport website but sadly and predictably its nowhere to be seen on the telegraphs
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| A VERY WELL DONE TO SCOTLAND ......
But, let's also remember that this is the England reserve - reserve squad. Cracking result nevertheless & looking forward to the highlights show tomorrow.
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| Quote ="nathancroucher"Fantastic effort by Scotland
=#BFBF00What will happen to the domestic game and grassroots in Scotland in the next couple of years?
Hopefully the game is able to develop even if it is on a small scale, perhaps in a few seasons a semi pro side in League One may help matters'"
Nothing..But then again they don't have grassroots.Its up to others to create them.
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| Like Samoa in the last 4 nations, they got better and better and saved their best for last.
It a fundamental flaw of this format that the 4th side comes in with very poor preparation.
The other sides have regular top level competition to develop combinations over years, but the 4th nation comes in with their players hardly having met each other.
Next time I'd love to see a couple of teams like Samoa and Scotland have a playoff the week before the 4 nations to see who plays, which would give them an extra week in camp and a tough game under the belt before the main draw starts, and actually give them a bit of a drop on the big 3.
Samoa and Scotland have both shown they can use passion to get themselves up to a level to compete with the big 3, but the format is actually stacked against them having a chance.
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| Scotland should try to keep as many players from this series together and add a few more and they can really make a challenge.
Impressed with the determination including the work from the NRL players.
It will be such a shame if this Scotland team disappears.
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| there would have been nothing stopping Scotland playing England and France in warm up tests before this comp. i mean, it would have benefited England too. Australia and the kiwis get the luxury of playing each other before this and it certainly steels them up for the games ahead.
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| Quote ="roopy"Like Samoa in the last 4 nations, they got better and better and saved their best for last.
It a fundamental flaw of this format that the 4th side comes in with very poor preparation.
The other sides have regular top level competition to develop combinations over years, but the 4th nation comes in with their players hardly having met each other.
Next time I'd love to see a couple of teams like Samoa and Scotland have a playoff the week before the 4 nations to see who plays, which would give them an extra week in camp and a tough game under the belt before the main draw starts, and actually give them a bit of a drop on the big 3.
Samoa and Scotland have both shown they can use passion to get themselves up to a level to compete with the big 3, but the format is actually stacked against them having a chance.'"
Logistically that would be impossible, for both the teams and the organisers not to know til the week before who's going to be in the comp for the next month.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"A VERY WELL DONE TO SCOTLAND .....'"
Absolutely.
They've been up for the competition and done themselves proud.
Had a real good go in all three games.
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| Well done Scotland.
Probably THE biggest shock in the last 25 years, maybe even longer.
Comments on the attendance & where it was staged dont even matter now and hopefully, this result will give more credibility to the 4N
and it gives international RL a shot in the arm.
Just unbelievable !
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| No mention on the BBC sports bulletin at 7.30 or 8.30
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| According to an article on LoveRugbyLeague, whilst players of the three big nations are earning around £15,000 per game, the Scots are being paid 'pocket money'. Backroom staff, coaches, conditioners, administrators are voluntary. England hired a cyrotherapy unit at the Ricoh which cost as much as Scotland's entire tournament budget and Scotland couldn't afford to play an international warm-up match, hence the game against a Cumbrian select. The article finished:
"Worth knowing next time you want to attack the Bravehearts for being 'plastic Jocks' - they are playing for Scotland for love of the game, not for the money"
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| Quote ="Marcus Notsquare"According to an article on LoveRugbyLeague, whilst players of the three big nations are earning around £15,000 per game, the Scots are being paid 'pocket money'. Backroom staff, coaches, conditioners, administrators are voluntary. England hired a cyrotherapy unit at the Ricoh which cost as much as Scotland's entire tournament budget and Scotland couldn't afford to play an international warm-up match, hence the game against a Cumbrian select. The article finished:
"Worth knowing next time you want to attack the Bravehearts for being 'plastic Jocks' - they are playing for Scotland for love of the game, not for the money"'"
Exactly my thoughts.
They got their draw on merit and could have won.
To sell the game in Scotland going to be tough. These guys are doing better than Red Hall at achieving something.
They need funding next time.
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| Imagine if England had a half back of the quality of Danny Brough to pick?
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| Quote ="Mark_W"Shame it won't make the papers.'"
It was reported on BBC1's breakfast show this morning and they are showing highlights of the game this afternoon.
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| Quote ="Mark_W"No mention on the BBC sports bulletin at 7.30 or 8.30'"
I saw it on bbc news this morning.
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| Quote ="Marcus Notsquare"According to an article on LoveRugbyLeague, whilst players of the three big nations are earning around £15,000 per game, the Scots are being paid 'pocket money'. Backroom staff, coaches, conditioners, administrators are voluntary. England hired a cyrotherapy unit at the Ricoh which cost as much as Scotland's entire tournament budget and Scotland couldn't afford to play an international warm-up match, hence the game against a Cumbrian select. The article finished:
"Worth knowing next time you want to attack the Bravehearts for being 'plastic Jocks' - they are playing for Scotland for love of the game, not for the money"'"
This is a problem for the smaller nations. They get paid very little to represent their country in Rugby League. Coaching staff working for the love of the game, they deserve so much credit.
Also like your bit on the end about people labeling then plastic scots. These guys give their all for the shirt. Nobody can tell me Danny Brough isn't a Scot.
As an English born Scot, great to see Scotland get a draw last night
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| Fantastic performance by the Scots - I thought the Kiwis got all the 50/50 calls too - the Scots were unlucky not to get the win.
Thought Matty Russell has been great all tournament - I'd have him at 1 over Lomax. And the Brough argument has been had time and time again - he might be a bit of a bell, but he's exactly the type of half we've been crying out for since Schofield. As a country, we need to create more players of his skillset.
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| I don't have an issue with the Scottish players getting lower match fees than the tier one nations, after all they will not add value to the tv deal (bbc didn't show games live) and the attendances at the games are much lower, so they bring in less money.
With the exposure they are getting however, it would be great if some more could be invested at grassroots level, it would be an ideal time to launch a few new amateur teams.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"I don't have an issue with the Scottish players getting lower match fees than the tier one nations, after all they will not add value to the tv deal (bbc didn't show games live) and the attendances at the games are much lower, so they bring in less money.
With the exposure they are getting however, it would be great if some more could be invested at grassroots level, it would be an ideal time to launch a few new amateur teams.'"
and surely now is the time to schedule an international in Scotland! get England to go there mid-season, use this unexpected NZ draw as promotion, promote it as 'low paid, hard working Scotland' against 'moneybags England' they've got to start somewhere and at least get the Scottish media aware they have a team and there's a World Cup on later in the year.
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| Quote ="meast"Imagine if England had a half back of the quality of Danny Brough to pick?
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Give over I'm one of Danny's biggest fans but his time has gone. He played well last night but he's two big and to slow now to produce the magic he did at Wakefield and Hudds when he first joined you.
Bit sad really because his biggest weakness when he was at his peak was a suspect temperament in big games where he could be easily rattled. Now that seems to be more controlled but the legs have gone - we need to be honest here.
Still the smartest british H/B in the game but it's not enough.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Probably THE biggest shock in the last 25 years, maybe even longer.
Comments on the attendance & where it was staged dont even matter now'"
Sorry but they do, even more so. Would you believe that the SRL grand final was last night too? So that is a Friday, at the same time as the final of their own league comp, an England v Scotland football match, played outside Scotland.
The SRL couldn't run a p**s up in a brewery.
Quote ="Mark_W"No mention on the BBC sports bulletin at 7.30 or 8.30'"
On Radio 5 at hourly intervals along with a feature at 8am, also on BBC TV breakfast show.
Quote ="UllFC"and surely now is the time to schedule an international in Scotland! get England to go there mid-season, use this unexpected NZ draw as promotion, promote it as 'low paid, hard working Scotland' against 'moneybags England' they've got to start somewhere and at least get the Scottish media aware they have a team and there's a World Cup on later in the year.'"
Sadly that would involve the SRL, that means it would be on a Friday night in Galasheilds with a 6pm KO. Bleedin' useless.
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