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| Quote ="fun time frankie"No relegation
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Commencing start of 2017 season .....
I will go for that.
Dragging penalty to be rigidly & consistently enforced, it is still going on & it gets my goat.
Foot over in goal diffusing kicks, abolish it.
Allow attacking team to play ball as fast as they like from a tap 20, none of this waiting for defence to retreat & set that some refs allow.
Cannonball tackles & swinging full weight judo leg wrap tackles = instant red & minimum 4 match ban.
Remove Refs call & charge the VR to make it.
VR to challenge/over rule any missed incident of a serious player safety nature *although this probably already happens*
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As judder man rightly said .... try by hand only ! & none of this torso nonesense.
2nd Edit.
2 attempts only at forming a proper scrum then penalty loss of ball against offending team & tap ptb to opposition.
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| on the dead ball scooping, do people not remember the season about 3 years ago where they got rid so the ball had to hit the floor or advert boards or something outside of the line, people hated that as it slowed the game down, so they changed it back.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"2 attempts only at forming a proper scrum then penalty loss of ball against offending team & tap ptb to opposition.'"
That's a good call - sick to death of seeing the ref directing players to form a proper scrum, like he's coaching a group of U11's.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"clark and ratchford are 2 of the worst for it and even hill has started doing it.'"
Jeez.....you do realise you have Fonua playing for your team? I thought he had epilepsy during the LLS game.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"clark and ratchford are 2 of the worst for it and even hill has started doing it.'"
And Tomkins started it.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"1. Try must be scored by hand, no forearm, elbow, shoulder torso etc.
2. Remove foot over the dead ball line rule
3. Allow quick 25m tap without setting onsides.
4. When players ball carrying arm hits the ground on the tackle no further wrestling or turning on the back, offence concede extra tackle.
5. Stop referee "coaching"
6 Allow partial contested scrums, half back feeds towards there own front row.
7 Reduce back chat arguing to referee, offence concede extra tackle. (Excluding Team Captain)
8. Set time limits on drop outs under the posts and penalties to touch. Out of time on drop outs attacking team PTB on the 25 metre line. Out of time penalties then PTB at penalty position.
9. More yellow cards and remove "on report", match is reviewd anyway.
10 Touch judges to have more control on the offside at the PTB.
11. Players (attacking) moving off the mark at the PTB forfeit a tackle from the count.
12. No 10 metre encroachment offside rule if ball is kicked from within the back 25 metre area.'"
1. I dont really think this is much of a problem is it?
2. the foot over the deadball line is a bit of an annoyance but completely in line with the rules as per everywhere else on the field. I dont think we should introduce inconsistency.
5. This is a criticism i hear often, but i honestly can't agree with it. There are many rules and interpretations we have which are down to the referee's discretion. The referee sets the 10m, the referee decides when a tackle is complete, the referee decides when a player is held, it is simply going to lead to more penalties that players can't avoid if the ref keeps that to himself.
I like the idea of the extra tackle as a punishment, though i fear for a few we could end up with 15 tackle sets. I think it is a good idea though to help clean up the game because a penalty can sometimes seem an egregious punishment for a minor infringement whereas a single tackle doesnt make that much of a difference but so would be used more and would see the game tidied up a bit. Id go a step further and introduce a green card which is a 5 minute sin bin for any head high challenge and any time a team committed two offences in one possession.
obviously get rid of the dumbass refs call, i have no idea how that wasnt laughed out of the room when first suggested. Also let VR's intercede whenever necessary, they are ostensibly trained and competent officials.
I think one thing we should look at aswell, is removing the necessity for the markers to be square. This would allow us to be stricter on the speed of the ruck without turning it in to a scooting game, it would also remove a huge reason why players step off the mark and mitigate the benefit of doing so
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| One thing I think about the video ref is that perhaps they should not be able to view play slowed down. The problem is that once they have that ability they view every single element of a try in slow motion. I'd far rather mistakes be made than endless slow-mo replays.
Another change is that I'd introduce a benefit of the doubt system - again I'd far rather see magical play lead to slightly lucky tries (e.g. some vague hint of obstruction somewhere) than have entertaining play rules out for some microscopic breach.
Cleaning up the PTB in SL is a must. It might not have the quality in terms of players as the NRL, but there's absolutely no excuse for allowing something entirely under the control of the RFL leading to the spectacle being diminished.
Not a rule change bu the Academy/dual reg system is a farce. Bring back reserve grade (or at least U23 or similar with a couple of overage players). If a team can't afford it and drops out of SL as result, they don't belong there. Similarly a proper Academy.
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| Whilst matches are being reviewed for foul play they could also look out for players trying to milk penalties. You then have a toting up system. Reach so many you get a warning, so many more would result in a ban.
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| the one thing i want changing, is the 1 minute allowance for a conversion before the clock is stopped. Players just stand around, talk to the trainer etc. If the clock stopped, then it may not hurry them up, but it wouldnt detract from the playing time
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"1. I dont really think this is much of a problem is it?
2. the foot over the deadball line is a bit of an annoyance but completely in line with the rules as per everywhere else on the field. I dont think we should introduce inconsistency.
5. This is a criticism i hear often, but i honestly can't agree with it. There are many rules and interpretations we have which are down to the referee's discretion. The referee sets the 10m, the referee decides when a tackle is complete, the referee decides when a player is held, it is simply going to lead to more penalties that players can't avoid if the ref keeps that to himself.
I like the idea of the extra tackle as a punishment, though i fear for a few we could end up with 15 tackle sets. I think it is a good idea though to help clean up the game because a penalty can sometimes seem an egregious punishment for a minor infringement whereas a single tackle doesnt make that much of a difference but so would be used more and would see the game tidied up a bit. Id go a step further and introduce a green card which is a 5 minute sin bin for any head high challenge and any time a team committed two offences in one possession.
obviously get rid of the dumbass refs call, i have no idea how that wasnt laughed out of the room when first suggested. Also let VR's intercede whenever necessary, they are ostensibly trained and competent officials.
I think one thing we should look at aswell, is removing the necessity for the markers to be square. This would allow us to be stricter on the speed of the ruck without turning it in to a scooting game, it would also remove a huge reason why players step off the mark and mitigate the benefit of doing so'"
Agree with most of that. I like the last one about allowing markers to be not square. As long as they're still close to the play the ball id be all for that change.
It's probably already been mentioned but I'd also have the ball played with the foot. This should slow the play the ball a bit and hopefully alleviate the need for some of the wrestling.
I'd also change the point at which defences and markers can move up from the point at which the ball is touched by the foot to the point at which the acting half touches the ball. A small change but it should give attacks a bit more time and space.
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| There is much (justified) outrage at the attempted milking of penalties - I would suggest that's largely a symptom of the inordinate amount of time defenders are allowed to wrestle the tackled player; cleaning up the ruck could have the added benefit of reducing the need to thrash around, or deliberately trip over a defender in an attempt to demonstrate that you've been impeded.
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| Every single rugby fan I speak to wants the ruck tidying in Super League, the NRL is much slicker at that side of the game.
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| I don't think there are many rules that need changing. The rules simply need to be enforced.
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| I still think we need to find a way of introducing/re-introducing another area of competition in the game. Basically we have one at the moment, the speed of the ruck. Which is why there's been so much focus on it from both attacks and defences.
Another area of compeition would both reduce that focus thereby potentially opening the game up, and giving "lesser" teams more of a chance to compete.
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| Little thing but I would like to see the first half or end of game finish when the ball is in touch as in RU and not when the ball is still 'in play'.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"Little thing but I would like to see the first half or end of game finish when the ball is in touch as in RU and not when the ball is still 'in play'.'"
Reminds me of that game (Champ 1?) a year or so ago, where a player went to boot the ball out of play in celebration as the full-time hooter went, the wind caught the ball and blew it back towards his posts without crossing the touchline, the opposition scored and stole the match!
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| Impartial referees would be a start...
Remove ref call before sending to video ref
Have video ref at all games
Stop backchat
Scooping the ball whilst foot is in touch. This should be classed as head and feed to attacking side or drop out depending on the position
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| Quote ="Trainman"I don't think there are many rules that need changing. The rules simply need to be enforced.'"
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| 1. Referees not to call players by nicknames etc. Use numbers instead.
2. Touch judges to raise flags if the ball goes inside their post and the ref to watch the cross bar...three flags means a score
3. Play the ball with the foot
4. Referees not to tell players when they have to get off and can go forward etc. A simple held call is enough
5. No micing up refs
6. All contact above the shoulders to be penalised
7. Multipliers applied to sendings off for repeat offenders
8. Disciplinary panel to consider club records and patterns as well as individual behaviour
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| 1 - Legitimate shoulder charge (not head high) allowed
2 - Consistent length of time per 'held' call when players are tackled and held up - all players to release on that call - any slow release, or taking player to ground after call to be penalised
3 - Held call once ball carrying arm hits floor with consistent time allowance for defenders to clear (no 'dominant tackles allowing extra wrestle and hold time) - penalty for slow release
4 - Penalise simulation
5 - Same as everyone else with scrap the foot over the line in goal ruling
6 - No more 'on report' - if something deserves a ban, then surely it deserves a red card? Simply let the referee take action on the field, all matches are then reviewed and if someone is banned and the ref took no action, then that's is a fail for the ref and can be dealt with by the head of refs as part of their performance management protocols (which should be defined and consistent)
I wouldn't be keen on contested scrums, play the balls or strips (other than 1 on 1) - too messy and will deter flair play, as teams will be too focussed on ensuring the ball is completely secure - one handed offloads and flick passes would be gone.
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| Introduce 5 or 10 minute sin bin for ungentlemanly conduct, milking or gamesmanship!
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| Quote ="Trainman"I don't think there are many rules that need changing. The rules simply need to be enforced.'"
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| 1) Maximum 2 defenders in the tackle in opponents half.
2) Tackle count re-starts when the ball is carried into opponents half.
To me this would reduce wrestling, reduce the number of kicks near the line (wouldn't want to give 20m re-start away), encourage teams to play from their own half & probably even up possession & territory as most turnovers will result in an attacking set.
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| One set of rules to be played to throughout the world.
Play the ball, with the foot, if not a penalty
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