Hull actually looked decent going forward in the first 10-15 minutes , the forwards looked to have put them well on top but then they seemed to have no plan B when big forwards charging at the defence didn't work and after the VR decisions went against them, they simply collapsed, and almost looked like they had accepted that they were going to lose.

I love an underdog story as much as the next man (unless its wigan) but I just cant see Widnes doing a Leicester. That being said, they are playing some nice rugby and I think 4th/5th is possibly achievable. Hull on the other hand and their "worlds best pack" (according to their fans) looked like rank amateurs

Regards

King James

I thought Widnes looked superb. Fair play to then for sticking with Betts and thinking long term. They looked coordinated and played some top rugby. Good time to be a Widnes fan, long may it continue. Would love to see Widnes near the top again.

Flip side of that, Hull looked terrible. Widnes found there weaknesses out wide and dominated. Maybe Hull started believing their own hype ? Have resorted to type though and may struggle. Big pack but limited subs make then vunerable and they looked like an old tired pack

While losing, Widnes are again looking a decent side. No chance they will be in the bottom 4 this year.

Yes, it's been a really good contest in this first half, enjoying it. Widnes are certainly no mugs.

how on earth was clubb not put in the sin bin there? - i saw an identical offence recently which resulted in a yellow card. no consistency

The only thing funnier than Wigan losing is Wigan having a paddy whilst losing

WTF was Bateman doing throwing the ball at Hanbury at the end?

Widnes were very good tonight again, don't make many mistakes and play the game in the right areas. I thought again Wigan were a bit wasteful with the ball.

In terms of individuals I thought Dudson was outstanding and think that could be the last of Sarginson at fullback. At least Tierney was solid.

Doesn't happen often, enjoy it

Matty Smith should also have had a yellow card for his trip

I'm taking what I can get this season

What a thoroughly enjoyable game.

I didn’t really care who won, it was just a good contest, that was until Smith didn’t get ten minutes for the trip, followed by Flower?

A Widnes loss would have been cruel, a draw & they would have been hard done to, they really deserved that.

I felt there was a little redemption when Smith knocked-on near the end & the Wigan players having little strops after the hooter, but I guess they were just “annoyed” to have lost their home record, I wish my team had the same passion.

yeah i thought that should have been a yellow too. think a trip goes largely on the refs interpretation nowadays. used to be an auto red card (which i always thought was a bit harsh)

While my team is strugling & holding up the table it's realy nice to see the Wire doing well & playing a refreshing style of rugby, it has restored my faith in the game for a while. Just hope our chairman will put faith in our coach to come right & give him & the team some time to rebuild & find a bit of the same team spirit. I also hope the fans will give them some slack as well. But in the mean time I will enjoy Widnes shaking up the top teams if only for a while.

Ref was a bit lenient with Wigan, there was three times a player should have been sinbinned, Smith for the trip, Club for the knock down and Manfrani (Spelling) when he dived on the ball in an offside position.

The right result in the end, excellent team effort from Widnes, who play such a good style of rugby, no superstars, just play for each other, well done Betts and the team.

Hard to see them not making the 8 now.

You say no superstars, but they have the best halves combination in the league. And arguably the best half too in brown.

Ref did the right thing. Wigan would have improved if he had gone off.

I thought Brown was a bit off last night, probably trying too hard when it just needed a cool head at times. No doubt he is a quality player though.

I didn't think either half back for widnes were as good as they have been. I few Mellor runs aside. I thought the pack and Hanbury were outstanding.

That was a cracking game - I wish they were all like that.

I'm baffled how Wigan got away with what they did - grist to the mill for those people who think that 'big' teams get the rub of the green; by my reckoning they should have had three players in the bin. If they'd nicked it at the end, Widnes would have just cause to feel cheated. Perhaps Matty Smith knew that, so spilled the pass on purpose?

Hats off to both sides though - from a neutral perspective, it was a belter.

Smith, Clubb and Manfredi should all definitely have been off for 10 in the 2nd half. Arguably Gelling too, with an additional 2 points to Widnes from the "8 point try" that should have been awarded.

To be fair I thought the only nailed on yellow was Tony Clubb. Smith, I've seen trips binned and not binned in recent years, and Manfredi picking the ball up was more reactionary than cynical imo.

Clubb though it couldn't have been more Blatant and the message it sends is on a breakaway the only professional foul that will lead to a yellow is holding down.

I think a yellow for a trip is fine with me, though I understand it can be difficult for the ref in real time to determine whether it was accidental or not.
Clubb I think should be a yellow though we've seen very few of those types of yellow card for a while. Which is a shame as I think the sin bin is an underused tool.
Manfredi wasn't a sin bin for me.

I think because we're discussing whether 3 Wigan players should've been sin binned or not shows how well Widnes played and showed that Wigan's attack is blunted without their first choice full back, stand off and hooker.

I thought Manfredi was not a yellow initially, but on replay you can see him quickly assess the situation & realise there are 3 Widnes players bearing down on the ball & his FB is on the floor in exasperation. Dropping on the ball is the only thing preventing a likely try (unless the Widnes players all fell over unopposed with the try line beckoning again).