rubbish, players hould be picked on their form and how good they are not who they play for at club level or how many "big games" they've played in.

Not sure what the "we shouldn't pick him" argument is with Cuthbertson.

His Dad's English. It's not like you have to go back digging to find an obscure grandparent who once visited Buckingham Palace on holiday.

Both the Kiwis and the Aussies have form for picking players born overseas so why should England compete with one hand tied behind its back? Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Jason Nightingale, Josh Hoffman, Frank Pritchard and Gerard Beale were all born in Australia, yet the Kiwis were happy to select them. James Tamou and Akuila Uate were born in NZ and Fiji respectively, yet played for Australia.

Argue all you like about whether the current eligibility criteria are fit for purpose, but play by the ones you've been given and that everyone else is playing by.

Agree the rules are the same. Play to the rules.

Memo RLIF - change the rules.

Jack Reed is out of the series. Who should replace him?
It is either Daniel Sarginson or Michael Shenton.

I would go with the sidestepping Sarginson if he is fit.

Best England team:

Zachary Hardaker

Joseph Burgess, Kallum Watkins, Daniel Sarginson, Ryan Hall

Samuel Tomkins
Gareth Widdop

Adam Cuthbertson,
Elliot Whitehead, Liam Farrell
James Graham (c.), James Roby, Alexander Walmsley

Interchange: Robert Burrow, Christopher Hill, Thomas Burgess, John Bateman.

Squad reserves: Jerome McGillvary, Michael Shenton, Daniel McGuire, Sean O'Loughlin, Michael Cooper, Joshua Hodgson

Sarginson will be lucky to make the start of next season after an op.

I'd go Percival myself with John Bateman covering him and Watkins. I know many will go for Shenton and whilst he's a good superleague player, in not sure he's quite at that level needed for test match rugby.

surely you'd pick the next available player from wigan or leeds to replace reed?

or knowing how it works, tomkins will be at FB and hardaker in the centre just to allow us to shoehorn tomkins in the team.

fwiw, i think we have some very good backs, from all the clubs not just the usual.

If Reed is out then its hard to argue that Shenton hasn't earned a place as next in line based on this years performances.

If Cuthbertson is selected England might as well change the name to "anyone who cant get into theAustralian or NZ side". Change the crest and Jersey whilst your at it.

Just because Aus and NZ do it why should we? If they jumped off a cliff would you follow suit?

And if a youngster with aspirations to play for England saw that average NRL journeymen were getting into the side before our own he'd wonder what the point nis

Cue rage posts from Rhino fans.

that ship sailed long ago when we selected Rangi Chase.Chris Heighington and Maurie fausavalu (sic).

As Andy Gilder says, his father is English that would be more than enough to get him selected in any other sport.Do you not think Australia wouldn't want someone like James Graham to play for them if his father was born there?

His Dad is from Warrington (and he still has family in Warrington) which makes him half British. He now lives and plays in Leeds and has said he wants to play for England. I don't see the problem at all. It's not like we're just letting any old player with two Aussie or Kiwi parents play just because he's over here now.

Man of Steel nominee journeyman, if you please.

Not sure why you would have/need a halfback on the bench, why you would have no interchange hooker, why you have picked Elliot Whitehead (who has hardly played this year). Even more insure why Chris Hill isn't in your 17.

A few months ago I wasn't sure if Percival was ready. Watching his recent performances I've changed my mind on him. He is a classy player already with huge potential. That tackle over the line on Hall has proved how strong he is. With Reed out I he would certainly be in my team.

Watkins won't be playing. Hardaker is unlikely too.

Hardaker
Burgess
Watkins
Percival
Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Hill
Roby
Graham
Bateman
Whitehead
O'Loughlin

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G. Williams
B. Currie
T. Burgess
A. Walmsley

Every player named deserves a shot. Hardaker should be given a run at FB. Burgess has been awesome. Hall top class as ever along with Watkins. With Reed having pulled out I'd give Percival from Saints a go. Looks very classy. Shenton has been good this year, but is not one for the future and has had his run. Tomkins & Widdop surely no brainers. Forward line picks itself. Graham must start. Hill deserves to start. Burgess and Walmsley to add impact from the bench. Bateman has been Wigan's best player - should have been picked ahead of Farrell in the dream team. 22 and sheer class. Whitehead brilliant for Les Catalans and Lockers in at 13.

Williams and Currie deserve a shot. Williams can cover 6 7 and 9. Has been outstanding for Wigan. Currie the stand out young forward of the year at Wire. 2 players for the future who should play over your tried and tested Rob Burrow's and a 30 year old Aussie in Cuthbertson.

How old is he though? Surely we should give a younger player like Ben Currie, John Bateman or Alex Walmsley a crack?

You play the best players available surely.

Bateman and Walmsley will be certainly in the 17 anyway imo.Walmsley without doubt.Might just be a little soon for Currie but he could be in the squad.

If Watkins/Hardaker pull out as somebody mentioned earlier I wouldn't be surprised to see Currie in to cover back row and centre.

Without Reed and Watkins we'd be looking at Percival and Shenton in the centres I'd have thought (although I'd pick Percival and Bateman).

If Hardaker is fit and available it wouldn't surprise me to see him play centre now with all these injuries.Not the way i would go but could see it happening

Age doesn't matter. He's only too old when he retires through being too old to play anymore or retires from international rugby.

Walmsley and Bateman will be in the squad and would be in my starting 13 with Cuthbertson