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| Quote ="barham red"2 years ago saints came to Craven Park in a cup game with the a game plan that was basically a guide to heaqd hunting. Dobson was smashed left right and centre with shoulder charges and head high tackles. This culminated with Meli clothes lining Craig Hall to the extent where it shocked me it didn't break his neck. Ok Meli walked, but we could easily have been playing against 10 men by that point. Never heard a peep from McManus condemning his players or coach. Did he get in a pulpit and apologise to the Rugby world, nope he kept quiet.
McManus is a typical NIMBY, complain when its about his club otherwise he'll stay schtum, The ref / disciplinary debate fired off last year, it was surrounding the Mickey Paea banning for a leg charge which he rightly got banned for yet there were another 3 or 4 instances the same week that went unpunished. If I remember rightly Pearson at Hull kicked off, this was backed by Hudgell and the wakefield coach, McManus kept quiet but as has been said it didn't suit his agenda'"
That would be [url=http://youtu.be/INzmrDRAtSUthis sickening attack[/url. I don't remember him saying anything back then either. |
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Indeed, it’s one thing allowing a try from a dodgy offside, it’s quite another when a player makes a deliberate attack to the head of another.
After the Ah Van incident Green should have been given the red card, but the referee bottled it, so did the disciplinary, it should have been a Grade D offence IMO.'"
However, the panel didn't find it to be a deliberate attack to the head. The shoulder charge was late and of course illegal, but the contact with the head was indirect or secondary, therefore Grade B. |
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"However, the panel didn't find it to be a deliberate attack to the head. The shoulder charge was late and of course illegal, but the contact with the head was indirect or secondary, therefore Grade B.'"
As I said, in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"However, the panel didn't find it to be a deliberate attack to the head. The shoulder charge was late and of course illegal, but the contact with the head was indirect or secondary, therefore Grade B.'"
Why are the RFL thinking that a shoulder charge that hits the shoulder then fractures a cheekbone is any more acceptable than one which directly hits the head and fractures a cheekbone.
This is a systemic issue and McManus, along with Hetherington and a few others before him, are right to bring it up. The way referees are handled and the disciplinary process itself has become an exercise in PR rather than a good process.
Offenses and their grading have become an opportunity for wiggle room and not an attempt at consistency and this offence is a good example of it.
Rather than asking what did Green do and how many matches does it deserve, they ask where can we introduce uncertainty to protect the referee.
Green had to go. It should have been a simple decision. He should have got a few matches and it should have been a simple decision. |
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Spot on Smokey. Should've been a red and couple of matches ban.
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Saints the new moaning club? Looks like winning silverware again after so long has gone to their heads.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Saints the new moaning club? Looks like winning silverware again after so long has gone to their heads.'"
[iNew[/i moaning club? You never heard of John Wilkin?  |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"[iNew[/i moaning club? You never heard of John Wilkin?
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Does he play for the same team as Sam Tompkins? |
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"Does he play for the same team as Sam Tompkins?'"
No, he's a Rhino's player alongside Rob Burrows and Danny Maguire. |
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| Quote ="Him"No, he's a Rhino's player alongside Rob Burrows and Danny Maguire.'"
That doesn't really work, does it? |
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Saints the new moaning club? Looks like winning silverware again after so long has gone to their heads.'"
Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for players. |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for players.'"
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"Does he play for the same team as Sam Tompkins?'"
Not my fault he doesn't know how to spell John.  |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why are the RFL thinking that a shoulder charge that hits the shoulder then fractures a cheekbone is any more acceptable than one which directly hits the head and fractures a cheekbone.
This is a systemic issue and McManus, along with Hetherington and a few others before him, are right to bring it up. The way referees are handled and the disciplinary process itself has become an exercise in PR rather than a good process.
Offenses and their grading have become an opportunity for wiggle room and not an attempt at consistency and this offence is a good example of it.
Rather than asking what did Green do and how many matches does it deserve, they ask where can we introduce uncertainty to protect the referee.
Green had to go. It should have been a simple decision. He should have got a few matches and it should have been a simple decision.'"
So that's a strong case for reviewing the current grading system. However, within the system as it currently stands the punishment was correct. |
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