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| Quote ="Speccy"You can always rely on Saddened.'"
Yes, but he's right !
A couple of the other games are under the mark though so, the overall figure may not be too far off.
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| updates on the predictions
Hull FC vs Hull KR: 20k
Wigan vs St Helens: 25k (will be a little under this due to restrictions but will be nearer 25k than 24k hopefully)
Wakefield vs Catalans: 4k
Widnes vs Warrington: 10k optimistic prediction
Castleford vs Leeds: 11k
Huddersfield vs Salford: 6k
so should be looking at 75 to 76k which is not a bad all round effort, if leeds were at home 80k would have been surpassed.
what is the record for a 6 game round?
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| Quote ="the artist"updates on the predictions
Hull FC vs Hull KR: 20k
Wigan vs St Helens: 25k (will be a little under this due to restrictions but will be nearer 25k than 24k hopefully)
Wakefield vs Catalans: 4k
Widnes vs Warrington: 10k optimistic prediction
Castleford vs Leeds: 11k
Huddersfield vs Salford: 6k
so should be looking at 75 to 76k which is not a bad all round effort, if leeds were at home 80k would have been surpassed.
what is the record for a 6 game round?'"
Our last "sell out" at the DW was about 23,800. The capacity is just over 25,000 but they have to leave 500 or so seats empty in the North and South stands due to unreserved seating, plus a few in the corner for the screen.
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| looks like the original prediction of 80k was a bit optimistic as the curse of thursday rugby strikes again (outside of the hull derby)
hull v hull kr 20,507
wakefield v catalan 3,015
widnes v warrington 7,768
i can see the logic in playing thursday on a short turnaround, but its clearly at a cost of fans through the turnstiles
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| Is Wakey's ground still restricted to 5,000? If so the original prediction was always going to be off.
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| Quote ="the artist"looks like the original prediction of 80k was a bit optimistic as the curse of thursday rugby strikes again (outside of the hull derby)
hull v hull kr 20,507
wakefield v catalan 3,015
widnes v warrington 7,768
i can see the logic in playing thursday on a short turnaround, but its clearly at a cost of fans through the turnstiles'"
Indeed. Even 70k is not certain at this stage.
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| Cas v Leed 11,235 full house with people turned away at the gates, capacity lower than normal due to repairs of stand
Wigan v Saints 24,054 full house
Hudds v Salford 6003
Hull FC v HKR 20,507
Wakey v Cats 3015
Widnes v Wire 7768
Total 72,582
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| cas v leeds attendance given as 9676 - is this the reduced capacity due to the repairs?
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| No, the normal capacity is 12,200, the crowd today was 11,235
9676 is the wrong figure, gates were closed 30 mins before kick off
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| 6,003 at huddersfield with a good following from Salford
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| I was listening on the radio. The Salford fans were certainly vocal.
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| Quote ="meast"6,003 at Huddersfield with a good following from Salford'"
6134 at Bradford v Halifax.
An encouraging couple of days all round, the Castleford atmosphere was great on TV.
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| Quote ="Marcus Notsquare"6134 at Bradford v Halifax.
An encouraging couple of days all round, the Castleford atmosphere was great on TV.'"
I think the 1,522 in Newcastle deserves a mention too!
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| Quote ="Chief Wigan"I think the 1,522 in Newcastle deserves a mention too!'"
thats really good!
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| Total attendance for round 8 in 2015 (6 games) = 72582
Total attendance for round 8 in 2014 (7 games) = 65160
Av attendance for round 8 in 2015 = 12097
Av attendance for round 8 in 2014 = 9308
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| Quote ="loiner81"Total attendance for round 8 in 2015 (6 games) = 72582
Total attendance for round 8 in 2014 (7 games) = 65160
Av attendance for round 8 in 2015 = 12097
Av attendance for round 8 in 2014 = 9308'"
This is a top bit of trolling!
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| Quote ="jimlav"This is a top bit of trolling!'"
Just sharing the facts Jimlav!
No doubt the doom & gloomers will try and twist things or continue to focus on Wakefield's mickey poor crowd though.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Just sharing the facts Jimlav!
No doubt the doom & gloomers will try and twist things or continue to focus on Wakefield's mickey poor crowd though.
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Here is the first fact,
Round 8 last season was the week before the Good Friday round!
This Good Friday you have Hull derby & Wigan-Saints game contributing 17k more fans due to being played at the bigger stadiums.
Doom and gloom or just a decent level of intelligence, you come to your own conclusion.
Why would anyone look at the Wakefield attendance as some sort of barometer for the health of the league? Here you have a team performing terribly, with heaps of injuries, just had 50 put on you in the last game and against a team who bring 0 away fans! it seems to me like it is you that is trying to advance your argument by highlighting this than anyone else. A poor attendance is a poor attendance, outliers happen, move on. But by exactly the same principal, you have Wigan and Hull Fc playing at home who massage the figures to be a little higher than they otherwise would be. trying to advance your argument on the back of this is foolish.
I am not sure if you are trying to wilfully deceive or just can't grasp an understanding of the facts.
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| Quote ="jimlav"Here is the first fact,
Round 8 last season was the week before the Good Friday round! '"
I know, so since Good Friday was round 9 we shouldn't really compare. If you want me to post those figures though i'm more than happy to... In fact, see my next post.
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This Good Friday you have Hull derby & Wigan-Saints game contributing 17k more fans due to being played at the bigger stadiums. '"
And I bet you're one of those that compares fixtures rather than rounds, then proclaims the game is dead because a fixture played on a warm friday last year with important points up for grabs pulled lots more than the same fixture played on a cold, wet Thursday this year...
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Doom and gloom or just a decent level of intelligence, you come to your own conclusion. '"
The former. Every time, it's what this board does better than any other.
Quote ="jimlav"Why would anyone look at the Wakefield attendance as some sort of barometer for the health of the league? Here you have a team performing terribly, with heaps of injuries, just had 50 put on you in the last game and against a team who bring 0 away fans! it seems to me like it is you that is trying to advance your argument by highlighting this than anyone else. A poor attendance is a poor attendance, outliers happen, move on. But by exactly the same principal, you have Wigan and Hull Fc playing at home who massage the figures to be a little higher than they otherwise would be. trying to advance your argument on the back of this is foolish. '"
Are you new here? RLFans only focuses on ANY negative then spins and spins those negatives until the game is beyond repair and we're all doomed. Many posters do the same with positive news, a bit like you're trying to do.
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I am not sure if you are trying to wilfully deceive or just can't grasp an understanding of the facts.'"
None of the above, just comparing round 8 from last year with round 8 from this year.
It's what's been done on this forum for years.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Total attendance for round 8 in 2015 (6 games) = 72582
Total attendance for round 8 in 2014 (7 games) = 65160
Av attendance for round 8 in 2015 = 12097
Av attendance for round 8 in 2014 = 9308'"
Here you go Jimlav.
Total attendance for Easter fixtures (pt1) in 2015 (6 games) = 72582
Total attendance for Easter fixtures (pt1) in 2014 (7 games) = 60012
av for 2015 = 12097
av for 2014 = 8573
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| Quote ="loiner81"I know, so since Good Friday was round 9 we shouldn't really compare. If you want me to post those figures though i'm more than happy to... In fact, see my next post.
And I bet you're one of those that compares fixtures rather than rounds, then proclaims the game is dead because a fixture played on a warm friday last year with important points up for grabs pulled lots more than the same fixture played on a cold, wet Thursday this year...
The former. Every time, it's what this board does better than any other.
Are you new here? RLFans only focuses on ANY negative then spins and spins those negatives until the game is beyond repair and we're all doomed. Many posters do the same with positive news, a bit like you're trying to do.
None of the above, just comparing round 8 from last year with round 8 from this year.
It's what's been done on this forum for years.'"
Why on earth would you not compare like for like fixtures. You put forward some silly examples of why you wouldn't compare fixtures. The weather is always variable, and therefore will even itself out over the course of a season. Therefore you can look at fixtures against each other so long as you don't take a 1 off fixture and try to draw conclusions from that and that alone.Exactly the same for important games, they will even themselves out over time, they are by definition outliers. they are still important but don't use them as the basis for any conclusions!
Using rounds is completely pointless. If Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Hull fc, Warrington + A.N.Other are at home you are going to get an artificially high number. just the same as if you compare games where Wigan play Wakey or Catalans at home. you will get low numbers.
Just like comparing last years good friday to this. Wigan and Hull fc playing at home contributed 17k more than last seasons good friday. you show a 12k difference in your numbers (with 1 extra game, broncos v catalans had 1,002 however). such a pointless comparison. absolutely nothing of note can be interpreted from these figures. It seems to me like pointless point scoring, as shown by your explanation.
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| Who gives a about these strange statistical battles! All I know is that there were 2 brilliant games played out in front of sellout crowds, and that's got to be good for our sport!
Took 3 RL virgins to the Saints game yesterday and they were all mesmerised by it!!!
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| Quote ="jimlav"Why on earth would you not compare like for like fixtures. '"
So that we can see if crowds are either up or down after X amount of rounds. A bit like how pretty much all sports do it.
This year, crowds are well up after 8 rounds with no signs of any drop off. Whether you want to accept that, agree with that or want to stamp your feet saying the system's flawed is irrelevant.
Happy Easter
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| Quote ="salfordsaint"Who gives a poop about these strange statistical battles! All I know is that there were 2 brilliant games played out in front of sellout crowds, and that's got to be good for our sport!
Took 3 RL virgins to the Saints game yesterday and they were all mesmerised by it!!!'"
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| Quote ="loiner81"Here you go Jimlav.
Total attendance for Easter fixtures (pt1) in 2015 (6 games) = 72582
Total attendance for Easter fixtures (pt1) in 2014 (7 games) = 60012
av for 2015 = 12097
av for 2014 = 8573'"
Brutal.
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