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| We need to stick with what we have and build continuity, that's how the Australians have done it. We have a 1, 6, 7 & 9 that could be together for the next 5-7 years, the more these guys play together in the same system the better we'll be.
In 5 years time Smith, Cronk, Slater, Gallen, Bird, Thaiday, Thurston, Scott etc. won't be around, and Australia don't have anything half as good coming through.
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| Quote ="*1865*"We need to stick with what we have and build continuity, that's how the Australians have done it. We have a 1, 6, 7 & 9 that could be together for the next 5-7 years, the more these guys play together in the same system the better we'll be.
In 5 years time Smith, Cronk, Slater, Gallen, Bird, Thaiday, Thurston, Scott etc. won't be around, and Australia don't have anything half as good coming through.'"
I know that Aussie team yesterday had plenty of injuries and guys missing. But man for man the England team was still younger than the Aussie one, and if I was picking my first choice team it would be younger still.
Most of the key players Australia are missing are getting on and won't be playing in a few years anyway. We've seen in this tournament that the next generation aren't a patch on the current one.
I'm optimistic for the future of English RL.
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| I don't think we're that far off at all. With enough warm up games and a neutral set of officials we have every chance.
Long term I think the move to a 12 team SL is a good move as is the P&R move. I'd also move to a top 6 or top 5 play off to increase the intensity of games. Out top players need to play games of a higher intensity so they get used to playing under pressure.
The Aussies and Kiwis get that due to the great number of quality players in the NRL. Origin provides another outlet.
There is never going to be an equivilent of orgin over here so we need to make the league work better. Top 8 play offs are a farce when teams can lose by 40 or 50.
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| Playing to the same rules would also help. I thought SL had slowed down because of the 'liberal' interpretation of the rules at the ruck but the game on Sunday was a joke, it was like wrestlemania.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Teams continuing to develop youngsters is the way forward.'"
Alas, the return of P&R will slow that down to a trickle. Clubs will spend more on "staying up" and less on development.......it seems that short termism is back in Vogue.
Quote ="Dally" Australia are suffering because the NRL attracts quality players and sadly for Australia most of the best are not Aussies.'"
The Aussies are suffering because they have a lack of decent front rowers........they have talent everywhere else, but they are missing some "beef" at the front. That said, 11 of the Samoan squad are Australian born, so expect one or two of them to make the switch before RLWC 2017 (if not before)......
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| Longer-term issues aside, I think McNamara needs to throw caution to the wind vs NZ, as we need to score points. Firstly that means a change in mindset and not letting the front rowers hog the ball.
Secondly he should definitely look at some changes. I'd go for it, and bring in both Hardaker at full back and Burgess on the wing, dropping Charnley altogether and moving Tomkins to 7. Smith may be an 'organiser' but he is zero threat with the ball. If he does play he HAS to run the ball early or he'll be a passenger.
The back row has been a weakness in both games so far, so I'd bring in both Whitehead and Cooper, simply because they can't be any worse going forward than the incumbents.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Totally disagree, need to increase player pool in UK and get rid of Aussie journey men from our game, this has been a problem for over 20 years. We need more london accents in our team as well, like sarginson and Los wasn't far off being selected either. people say london has been a failure but the talent and player pool is massive down there, need to bring them through.
Ryan hall never played in NRL but proved against yesterday why is rightly called the WBW we simply need more players playing at the top level.'"
The top level is the NRL though
For me its no coincidence that we have the highest content of our guys playing in the NRL and were actually starting to look like we can beat (compete prob a better word) the Aussies, we need more players playing in the NRL
And look at the difference between Samoa ten years ago and now, that's down to players playing at the top level in the NRL
There is a PNG team in the Queensland cup, in 2016 Fiji will have a team, it wont be long before Tonga and Samoa have a side, there is no doubt that they are trying to do what the NZL warriors are doing and look at the Kiwis now and ten years ago!
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"I'm feeling pretty positive.
We played australia, in australia, in a must win game for australia, with australian officials and took them the distance. When was the last time england did that against australia in a must win game? Over the last generation england have struggled to compete down under and even on home soil have been soundly beaten/outplayed or had the match run away from them at some time in any must win game. At no point did england look in any danger of being well beaten or have the match run away from them. If australia lost this game they would have been out of the tournament, and they were hanging on at the end.
England def have the beating of australia, right here right now. If they make the final they might just finally do it.'"
My thoughts too, to expand on this, we have a young team that are going to play a lot of international rugby together and will get better as they get to know each other and mature
We need to keep the international origin concept going so they can have a mid season run out together
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| Quote ="musson", we have a young team that are going to play a lot of international rugby together'"
When?
Seriously......when?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"When?
Seriously......when?'"
we dont have enough international games I know but I would say with the age of the team mainly our better players who are all 25 and under they will have 5+ years to play with each other
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| Our big mistake on Sunday was not playing in second half like we did in the first. I thought the team had good shape and Widdop/Smith quite effective together, and we looked like we could threaten. Second half we looked like an Italian soccer team that had decided to defend a 1-0 lead for the remainder of the match. Big mistake. Only way to beat the Aussies is to deprive them of attacking ball. J Tomkins looks out of it. I'd be tempted by Whitehead but there are those who say his defence isn't up to it. I don't think Mike Cooper would be a bad shout, either.
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