where can you find the clip because I must of missed it when it was on sky?

having seen your second post on the subject have retracted my origanal reply

at the game it looked nothing but an accident, but on second viewing, he should be banned until next season!

so did we, easy too during the match and not on tv!

people can have different views upon seeing video replays, deliberate intention to take out the ref! did all that coke mash his brain cell up!?

According to sporting life Hock's deliberate collision caused the ref to lose the pea in his whistle, surely thats a 6 match minimum ban.

The angle from far back looks worse than the close up one doing the rounds.

If you look at the close up one, he gets his hand to the ball as it flies by but can't drag it in. At the very same time, due to the speed Shaul is coming across at he tries to drag it in and past Shaul to step in the other direction and score rather than just plowing over the top of him. It seems like an attempt at being clever that's gone wrong.

The only thing I can't understand is the motion and dipping to tackle the ref after. Think there is some mitigation as to why they ended up colliding but his attempt to pull out leaves a lot to be desired.

I'll go for 5 games.

Great player but has a peanut for a brain

Great Player....but VERY ugly.

Ican see his defense statement now - I was doing a rehearsal for a Specsavers Advert.

https://vine.co/v/Mx2LhEaVpeP

https://vine.co/v/Mx2LhEaVpeP

probably because the ref didn't know what the hell happened due to being blindsided into the first row of the stand by a cheap shot and everyone was following the ball

It's a conspiracy to deny Salford a shot at winning the grand final by the corrupt RFL and all those people who hate Koukash for turning Salford into the force they now are.

It's illegal to shoulder barge a player nowa days, so putting the shoulder in on the ref. Bit of a numpty.

As for those saying the ref did not do anything at the game.

Any chance he was doing his job and watching the play, not expecting to get taken out.

He can't assume it was deliberate. It's only on review he would see that hock puts the shoulder in.

Looking at that video clip! It's quite clear that Hock changes his line and heads for the Ref. If he'd kept to his original line he would n't have been anywhere near the Ref. Third offence of the same type full 8 may be more at discretion of the panel!

What a total tool will he ever learn I bet he has booked is hols for this week

Exactly. Unless he knows otherwise the referee has to assume that it was accidental. On review it is fairly obvious that Hock deliberately steps into him and drops the shoulder.

He's the gift that keeps on giving.

Thanks for that.

Hock, replace the H for a C and that is the man.

After his long record RL should just wash their hands with him, thanks but no thanks Gareth, off you go.

It's been a feature of his career; condemned by the RL world, with only the fans of whatever club he currently plays for trying to defend the indefensible.

The man's an idiot - pure and simple - and appears to have no capacity to learn from his mistakes; shame really, as he certainly has talent.

Having just watched the video Bilko put on twitter I'd like to know what happened in the next 5 seconds. Whether he stopped to apologise and helped the ref up and walked away. He looked off balance then braced for impact although I can understand the opinion that it was deliberate I'd like to look at the context before coming to an opinion rather than basing it on assumption. His reaction after would give a better indication of whether he meant it or not.

There is no doubting on his day he is a great player but it's one thing after another with this bloke. I have up on him at Wigan a long time ago. His reputation no doubt goes against him.

I'm sure it does, and rightly so, as if you didn't know the sort of stuff he's done before, like the gouging incident, your default position might be to assume nobody would be that stupid.

In fact it's clear enough what he does, and the "bracing for impact" I don't buy. If he'd caught the ball, he'd just have dived over the line. What was he doing continuing on at full speed, and changing his line, and dipping his shoulder? The collison was near the dead ball line. If he'd caught the ball, he wouldn't have been running that far, as he'd have run the ball dead. He could have avoided the ref altogether easily, he could have (and normally would have) been in the process of pulling up and getting back into the play, and in the unlikely case he thought he couldn't avoid a collision then he could have made it a "soft" coming together - like a decoy runner mistiming his run into a defender). There is no sensible explanation I can accept for what he so clearly does other than at that moment, in his head, he chose to do that deliberately. Nothing else fits, IMHO.

Even if i give Hock every benefit of the doubt there is, that he didnt mean to hit the ref, that he didnt mean to put the shoulder in, that he was bracing for impact.

He didnt put enough effort in to avoiding him. Hock has done this almost exact thing before, he knows he needs to try and avoid the ref, not just not try and hit him.

If Bailey got 4 matches for what he did, This is a worse example of that and from a player who has done it before. I can't see anything other than the top sanction.

Looking at the video footage if Hock had have continued his original path he'd have run past the ref's left side. He looks to come back into the ref's path. Throw in the dropped shoulder and it's hard not to think he just thought ''sod it, I'm going to floor the ref''. In this situation it's very rare you'd drop your shoulder for impact. You'd more likely hold out your arms and try to avoid such impact with a grab.

It's very generous of you to suggest there was any kind of thought process going on in this morons head.

My main point was people love to jump to conclusions based on insufficient evidence.

As for Hock it's certainly plausible he did it intentionally however he did look off balance. As I said earlier I would like to see his reaction afterwards before coming to my own conclusion.

Are some on here conveniently forgetting Hocks ability to step opposition players when attacking ? I'm sure he could have avoided the ref if he wanted to.