Where has this been announced? Can't see it anywhere.
If so, looking at the forwards, Ferres and Hill have been such a revelation, and I am guessing that having Ferres play beside Cudjoe helps the defence considerably on that side. I think any combination of Burrow/McIllorum/Roby would have worked but perhaps McN was using the last couple of weeks as a shoot out between the hookers and the 2 wingers. Happy with the outcome.
Farrell is too small, so Mossop must be the call there.
Am really surprised by Widdop's selection over Chase, but neither dismayed nor delighted. Shows courage on McN's part though.

Not got more to give. All I got is that two players (named as Chase and McIlorum) were asked to leave the squad earlier in the week. Seems to fit with neither being selected for this game, despite McNamara's attempts to keep the continuity of the half back pairing.

There's a tweet on my twitter feed earlier in the week where I hinted at disciplinary issues but nobody was able to confirm or deny.

I have nothing against KS and will not be blaming him for anyhing win or lose. I know he will be in but i just could not take him and Chase together. Now it could be KS&RB or RB&GW or KS&GW any of those are preferable to what we had.

Id go

Tomkins
Charnley Watkins Cudjoe Hall
Sinfield Widdop
Graham Roby Hill
Surgess Westwood
O’loughlin

Burrow
Ferres
Gurgess
Ablett

Mossop hasnt really offered anything in the comp so far, Farrell is too small to be in the pack against these Kiwi monsters

Ablett is a bit bigger and offers an offload and covers the 3/4's

I'd agree with that, he's also a dirty, niggly player, who I can't stand in a Leeds shirt, but will happily support his antics on Saturday!

Anyone would have had Briscoe in over Charnley but me?

If this is true, then McNamara really needs to improve his man-management skills. It's all very well taking a zero-tolerance line, but part of the skill of management is avoiding getting to that line, and ensuring your staff do not want to cross it.

Obviously, you occasionally get nutters (Hock, anyone ?), but during this tournament, we've seen the loss/exclusion through misbehaviour of Hock, Graham, McIlorum, Hardaker and now possibly Chase. That's 20% of his entire squad. As a teacher, if I had 20% of any of my classes acting up in such a serious way as to reqire disciplinary action, it'd be me the boss would be looking at, not the kids. And that's kids. Grown adults are usually a bit more rational/reasonable (usually, Mr Hock).

Can't really pick between them to be honest, but Charnley's better form this season and his link-up play with Tomkins gives him the edge. Briscoe has suffered from barely getting a pass in HullFC's drab style of play for the last few years.

If any player has mis-behaved in the week before England's biggest game in decades then you have to question their motivation and intelligence.

Charnley v Briscoe

Charnley is quicker, better feet, broader skills range.

Briscoe probably a better defender but that's without much research just the few games ive seen both pkay in.

Would have Charnley over Briscoe

I agree. But if one in five of your squad breach disciplinary rules so seriously they're permanently or temporarily excluded, then you have to question the nature of those rules, and the management of those players.

Briscoe's the better all round player, but Charnley scores tries and takes people on the outside.

Id go with Charnley.

I hope he has cos he has forced SM's hand because there was no way he was going to alter his HB's.

I just feel the Briscoe would be the better option..I think Charnley has too many errors in him. Charnley is in though, so play on.

He played about 25 minutes against the Aussies so he's not really had the opportunity to. He was poor in that time granted but I'd give him another crack. He's the type of lad that needs a wake up call every now and then and I think he'll have had that.

I'd go with 4 props plus Sam Burgess in this game.

Well, I know I will really look forward to Saturday now. No Chase is a massive plus. Even if it is Widdop or Burrow next to Sinfield we have a player that isn't ridiculously off the cuff yet still attacking and inventive in a manner that ensures his team mates are on the same wavelength. This allows for structured attack and whilst I am not the biggest fan of Sinfield I think this frees him up to concentrate on his game a little more knowing he has a true halfback alongside him.

No probs with the rest, both wingers are on form and know where the line is, good strong forwards and backs, gonna be a cracker!!

C'mon England!!!!!

Tomkins, Charnley, Watkins,Cudjoe, Hall, Widdop, Sinfield, Graham, Roby, S Burgess, Ferres, Westwood, O'Loughlin

Farrell, Hill, G Burgess, Burrow

Mossop and Ablett to miss out.

That's how I'd go. Or play Mossop instead of Farrell and use Sam Burgess in back row.

If there has been disciplinary problems it might have been better if the England management learned from what happened at the beginning of the tournament and been open about it. That way if there is then the players could be shown to have let down their country rather than having this guessing game again.

Not Farrell. He offers little at this level. Ablett over Farrell every time. I think Mossop, like Farrell, is also fairly fortunate to have been selected for the squad, but I'd take him over Farrell if necessary because of his extra size. Farrell is one of those players who look good in SL because opposition defences aren't always very good, but just doesn't have the ability to perform to a good standard against an international-class defence.

Squad's getting a bit light though now so they may need to be reintroduced if we pick up a couple of knocks. I think if they had been dismissed from the squad the news would have got hold of it.

SM should get it out there if he has booted players out. More trouble in camp etc etc..
Give the Kiwis more reasons to underestimate England on Saturday

Agreed, it went badly when he didn't do it at the beginning of the tournament and followed it up with a really bad attempt of a cover up with Hardaker. Don't like to quote the other code but the Aussie Rah Rahs had a very similar issue with drinkers recently and went public with it and how they were all getting bans or ticked off and that included Quade-Cooper who is one of their stars.

Don't want to see Tanya Arnold get treated shabbily on Saturday if she asks a valid question, fuelled by rumours, that turn out to be true.

I think this thread could cause problems either way and if nothing has happened then we are at fault for making things up. That said there may be no smoke etc.

There is no evidence of anyone being booted out FFS

Cahse has not offered enough, Widdop was back up and a good one at that. He made a change
Burrow coming inis no surprise.

So which Leeds player can we expect to be dropped from the squad this week for going on the p1ss having not been picked? ..or are they all picked to improve the squad discipline stats?

Of course when we lose, it will be Widdop's fault.

Blah blah blah, he was built up to be this big thing playing in the NRL, blah blah blah, he was crap, should have stuck with Chase, blah blah blah.

Ever the optimist!