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| I know that, what's the harm though in coming together, if anything it strengthens our sport, surely the people who play this sport and enjoy it will be more inclined to follow RL as it's a simplified version of our sport?
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| lol at this thread.
lol a lot!!!
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"I know that, what's the harm though in coming together, if anything it strengthens our sport, surely the people who play this sport and enjoy it will be more inclined to follow RL as it's a simplified version of our sport?'"
Like being asked to become friends with your sisters rapist becuase it would be good for business! Union has done its best to screw RL at every opportunity, not least of all the near destruction fo the game in France. I would no sooner want to get in bed with them than with a $2 Thai hooker.
Not surprised you don't like it Gutters, it is massive step forward in uniting a hugely popular international variant of RL with its parent sport.
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| The last Touch Football World Cup involved the following 26 countries:
Australia, Austria, Belgium, Catalonia, Cook Islands, England, Fiji, France, Germany, Guernsey, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Jersey, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niue, Scotland, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, United States and Wales
The next one will be in Australia and under the banner of the NRL featuring 100 teams from 30 countries!
This may be the best way of getting RL into the Olympics rather than a RL Nines variation.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Like being asked to become friends with your sisters rapist becuase it would be good for business! Union has done its best to screw RL at every opportunity, not least of all the near destruction fo the game in France. I would no sooner want to get in bed with them than with a $2 Thai hooker.
Not surprised you don't like it Gutters, it is massive step forward in uniting a hugely popular international variant of RL with its parent sport.'"
lol again.....
I can picture you stroking a white cat with a manic smile on your face whilst plotting world domination.........it's Australia pal......calm down. lol
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"
Do you think there are Unionites on RU forums talking about how they should open up 7's so both RL and RU players can compete at the Olympics? Seriously now...'"
that's the point.....Union fans rarely, if ever mention League except maybe in Australia. League fans on the other hand...
The AFL is a bigger and better supported game in Australia...after cricket, it is the closest thing to their national game.....but tell that to an oker RL fan and they have an apoplectic fit
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| It's the way you say it fax, have a bit more tact. AFL is only slightly in front of RL.
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| Quote ="OzWelsh"have a bit more tact.'"
Jesus wept....I have tears welling up
RL is a brilliant sport.....but so is winding up its fanatical idiot fans who decry criticism as trolling...they'll get tact when they realise they have got me all wrong!
The ARL have opened the door on some pretty decent federal and government funding in 'stralia and good on them.....it was a welsh union loving guy who closed the deal BTW......but don't let the troll hunters hear you say that
As for the Olympics and touch.....Kabadi (sic) has a bigger chance as more people play it globally.
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| Look, these are sensitive issues with a lot of history, most of the ppl you're talking about will never have anything more in their lives than RL, unless they win the lottery, so show some sensitivity to ppl who haven't bn born with great academic ability please.
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| Quote ="OzWelsh"Look, these are sensitive issues with a lot of history, most of the ppl you're talking about will never have anything more in their lives than RL, unless they win the lottery, so show some sensitivity to ppl who haven't bn born with great academic ability please.'"
I never make it a personal thing....I simply pint out the facts, or in some cases, my opinion, which disagree with theirs.
The French RL being a point in case....
I do not doubt for one second that the Vichy government, in cahoots with the Nazis nicked all the assets of the French RL and set the game back a few years....
what does puzzle me though is that the French RL managed to fork out 8 million francs 9 years later as well as roll out the red carpet for the 3 other teams at the RLWC in 1954, with 140,000 odd paying spectators, as well as actually making the final?
Furthermore, they could afford to ship the squad south 3 years later and they were again competitive.....1968 they made their second RLWC final.....amazing given the decimation during the war.
70 years after the event we are quoted chapter and verse about how the French League could have been massive if only.... whilst in fact, French League is because the French let it become ......1990 since they beat GB..1981 England....1980 New Zealand and 1978 Australia.
The growth of France in Union and the regular international competition of the 5 nations and their success has more to do with how the French league is than any Nazi or Vichy administrator...
if only my auntie had bollox she'd be my uncle I say!
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| The military in countries around the world have put pressure on governments to invest in RU as it's such a team game. An anonymous person gave the US Army $25m towards rugby union 3 yrs ago, you can't compete with that. Due to unique circumstances in France RL didn't stand a chance.
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| Quote ="gutterfax" ..but so is winding up its fanatical idiot fans... '"
That's the dictionary definition of trolling GF, you've officially jumped the shark now. It's all about balance mate - some criticism in amongst positive support, that's what friends are for. Constant criticism? That's no friend. Be honest with yourself, and we've met back in the day so I don't say this lightly, your time in NZ has quite understandably coloured your view of League and you're now happy playing with the big boys with their shiny expensive train set. Good luck to you, but don't come around here pretending anything else - it's undignified and belittles you.
Back on topic. Touch is a version of League the same as 7's is a version of Union, the history is well documented and playing/watching it makes it obvious. The fact the RFU actually claims Touch as being invented as a Union training game - a deliberate lie - is hilarious, and it's right to call them out on it. It says much more about their culture than ours. This is a fantastic strategic move by the NRL, and in the long term to aspire to see Touch globally as an entry-level path for League (for participants, and as an aligned product) is an exciting goal for the sport. League is in no position to make that happen now, but we should aspire to it - the lack of long-term strategy is one of the two factors that has held 13's back (the other being the blatant persecution by another better-connected and resourced code, which continues to this day)
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"That's the dictionary definition of trolling GF, you've officially jumped the shark now. It's all about balance mate - some criticism in amongst positive support, that's what friends are for. Constant criticism? That's no friend. Be honest with yourself, and we've met back in the day so I don't say this lightly, your time in NZ has quite understandably coloured your view of League and you're now happy playing with the big boys with their shiny expensive train set. Good luck to you, but don't come around here pretending anything else - it's undignified and belittles you.'"
Fair enough......
Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"Back on topic. Touch is a version of League the same as 7's is a version of Union, the history is well documented and playing/watching it makes it obvious. The fact the RFU actually claims Touch as being invented as a Union training game - a deliberate lie - is hilarious, and it's right to call them out on it. It says much more about their culture than ours. This is a fantastic strategic move by the NRL, and in the long term to aspire to see Touch globally as an entry-level path for League (for participants, and as an aligned product) is an exciting goal for the sport. League is in no position to make that happen now, but we should aspire to it - the lack of long-term strategy is one of the two factors that has held 13's back (the other being the blatant persecution by another better-connected and resourced code, which continues to this day)'"
The persecution card is played a tad too often methinx......RL has a problem with how to sell itself to potential players, sponsors, fans and investors. It is a great sport, but it is badly managed IMHO......regardless of any external pressures.
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| But GF, remember you are a
"You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stowaway."
The NRL have negotiated to bring in touch footy to state how high Rugby League's participation levels are. It's a good selling point from the Welsh, former union playing, Falklands hero. Because Football has the highest participation levels in Australia. Not a good look for what they call soccer or even "ball" not long ago.
Thing is, everyone and anyone plays touch. Yes even people who play Union and not league are in teams playing together. Mates playing together, on social or more serious levels and leagues.
This is such a good strategy over here because the rates of kids' particiaption in RL has been dropping as parents are less likely to put their kids in to a dangerous environment. This has been a major concern for the ARL for a while. If you can get kids into touch first, where there is a lot less contact. The child may want to get more and more into the main game.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"But GF, remember you are a
"You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stowaway."'"
to be sure
Quote ="Rooster Booster"The NRL have negotiated to bring in touch footy to state how high Rugby League's participation levels are. It's a good selling point from the Welsh, former union playing, Falklands hero. Because Football has the highest participation levels in Australia. Not a good look for what they call soccer or even "ball" not long ago.
Thing is, everyone and anyone plays touch. Yes even people who play Union and not league are in teams playing together. Mates playing together, on social or more serious levels and leagues.
This is such a good strategy over here because the rates of kids' particiaption in RL has been dropping as parents are less likely to put their kids in to a dangerous environment. This has been a major concern for the ARL for a while. If you can get kids into touch first, where there is a lot less contact. The child may want to get more and more into the main game.'"
Good point.....I play Touch in the summer here and there are hundreds of teams in our league alone.....blokes, boys, girls and women play it in their droves....the national touch footie comp is on TV over here.....it is seen as a neutral sport..not league, not Union but everyone knows where it came from.
As for the RFU.....it's not the fact they are telling porkies that should be bothering people, but how the RFL are letting them get away with it.
weak management maybe?
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| Quote ="OzWelsh"It's the way you say it fax, have a bit more tact. AFL is only slightly in front of RL.'"
The only place AFL is in front is in attendances. With the News Ltd shackles now cast off the transformation of RL in Australia is underway. Already the ARLC has more than DOUBLED the income of the game and has laid out a strategic plan that will see the game prosper like never before. A new management structure and at long last decent staffing has the NRL with undreamed of resources to drive the game. Expansion at NRL level will be next and with the bringing of touch footy back into the RL fold the game has a participation rate never before seen. Record growth of tackle players in expansion states and the phenomina that is SOO of origin just keeps growing nationally every year. These are very exciting times for RL.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"These are very exciting times for RL.'"
In Australia.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"The only place AFL is in front is in attendances. With the News Ltd shackles now cast off the transformation of RL in Australia is underway. Already the ARLC has more than DOUBLED the income of the game and has laid out a strategic plan that will see the game prosper like never before. A new management structure and at long last decent staffing has the NRL with undreamed of resources to drive the game. Expansion at NRL level will be next and with the bringing of touch footy back into the RL fold the game has a participation rate never before seen. Record growth of tackle players in expansion states and the phenomina that is SOO of origin just keeps growing nationally every year. These are very exciting times for RL.'"
The great thing about the NRL finally waking from its ~20yr SL War slumber in Australia is that it's going to have a huge flow-on effect on NZ and the pacific nations.
Just looking at the totally unassisted-by-ARL growth in NZ, PNG and Fiji in particular in the last few years and knowing that the ARLC has said that growing the game in these regions is a priority gives me a real sense of excitement.
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| Yes and having the ex NZrl CEO in the arlc snr management team can only help with the ARL giving them more support.
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| Some of the stats from the 2012 RFL annual report on the Touch programme run by them
5000new regular players in 2012
13,350 people tried touch in 2012
120 sites ran touch games
21 Lucozade power sites set up playing 5 a side indoor or 6 a side outdoor touch
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| How many of all the touch footy players are Union players?
As I said, strategically it's good, because it's great for speed work and ball skills. All forms of footy play it. Now they can all fall under the umbrella of Rugby League. Including the people who play other sports etc etc.
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| As of now they are all RL players
Comment from WARL chairman
WARL Chairman Richard Campbell believes it will be big for Western Australia.
“Participation in our sport is very important and the partnership will give us better representation in developing facilities for the game. Local government support is critical in our ability to deliver for the community. It could not have come at a better time for the growth of the game in WA.
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| The RFL have missed a trick with this, but the clubs are also to blame. Hull FC and Hull KR have and continue to run touch rugby tournaments, with participation made up mainly of local amateur players. 2 years ago, HKR had a large tournament played in a round robin format over 12 weeks with large participation, the following year the turn-out was far less because it simply wasn't publicised.
Hull continue to do touch rugby sessions, but because of the times they are run, it's difficult for many people to get to.
Touch rugby is a fantastic way for people of all ages, abilities, genders and fitness levels to get a rugby ball in their hands and express themselves. There's far less chance of injury in comparison to contact too. Contact rugby isnt for everyone, and touch gives an opportunity for people who are new to the game to experience it without fear of being wiped out. It also provides an opportunity for guys like me, who's body's simply cannot take anymore impacts. Most of all, its great fun.
In contrast, the RFU run a touch rugby tournamnet on the hull university fields every summer, for free (both hull clubs charge participants), at a reasonable time with good facilities. They even set up a touch rugby tournament in the city centre to encourage participation. They advertise in my gym, giving details of local clubs and events too.
Some of the skills of the youngsters coming through touch rugby are fantastic, its a game that encourages running, passing, expansive rugby, and I fear that a lot of these players will choose a path of RU rather than RL.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty".
Some of the skills of the youngsters coming through touch rugby are fantastic, its a game that encourages running, passing, expansive rugby, and I fear that a lot of these players will choose a path of RU rather than RL.'"
Why, so they can stop running, passing and playing expansive rugby?
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Maybe if we [the whole rugby community grew up a little we'd all benefit, instead we all play silly games, i hate union for it's history and the way it's belittled our game but maybe we should all grow up, let bygones be bygones and work together.
After all we might have created Touch rugby but RU created rugby and RL spawned from that.
TR could be the glue that helps brings us together, rather than get into the politics of who created what and blah blah, work together.'"
I'd argue that point!
The Rugby Union was split in 1895 and went in two separate directions but the history of the game pre 1895 belongs to both Rugby Unioon and Rugby League
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