What benefits would Toulouse bring, apart from to Toulouse?

We don’t need to.

Why wouldn’t we want to?

Why would we want to if we don't need to?

Because need and want arent the same thing.

Why wouldnt we want to?

Why do we want to?

In the short term they would bring half a dozen or more french players up to speed.In the long term they would help the french national team to better compete

Fair enough. Ill leave you to enjoy your circle.

Great. Let's do it then.

In the meantime, another crappy home atmosphere with no visiting fans, a loss of revenue for UK clubs (the amount and relevance of which has been argued to death), 900 miles to travel for the away fixture and more journeymen Antipodeans.

I'm all for careful expansion, but not expansion for expanion's sake.

Either admit you can't answer the question, or answer the question.

Why would we want Toulouse in Super League?

Why wouldnt we?

Either admit you can't answer the question, or answer the question.

Edit P:S as you seem to have confused your self already, the question wasnt whether or not we wanted Toulouse in SL, but why you didn’t want [ito get more sl standard french players playing in sl?[/i

No argument from me with any of that but the point remains, its called SLE ltd and it exists to promote rl in europe ,not just the north of england

Not the question I asked.

Generally if someone proposes a change to the status quo - in this case, additional French players by means of another French club (generally assumed to be Toulouse), the onus is on them to provide an argument and demonstrate why that change would be positive and good for all parties. Therefore, seeing as you won't answer the question, I'll assume you can't.

Fair enough, but not at the expense of weakening the spectacle in the UK with lame crowds and atmosphere and yet another team of journeymen. We already have enough games with almost zero travelling support - Catalans & London, and several with low travelling numbers - Hudds, Salford and others - without introducing another one, and also asking fans to fork out many hundreds of pounds if they want to watch the away fixture.

We all love it when the big games are on - a good crowd, rocking atmosphere, etc. And then we all complain when the game on TV looks poorly attended with empty seats and a terrible atmosphere. By introducing another French side we're simply increasing the number of lame games. What good does that do anyone?

It was the statement posed by J.C,

You asked
So i asked you

So[i Either admit you can't answer the question, or answer the question.[/i or you can dance around some nonsense about the status quo not having to justify itself.

It's actually Super League (Europe) Ltd, and in case you hadn't realised wouldn't need teams from outside of the UK (or even just England) to satisfy the use of the word 'Europe'.

But not the question I asked, was it?



I assume the snow is causing you brain-freeze, you're arguing for something you have no argument for!



Oh, and as you seem to have missed it, I've laid my cards on the table many times and also in this thread. I'm not repeating it for you.

Obviously not in your little world

I simply asked you a question which was pertinent to the debate. You have decided you don’t like that question so would like to change it. That’s fine, no one is going to force you to answer a question, it simply means that we arent having a debate. That being the case, and having given you a chance. I see no point in joining you in your circle and Ill leave you to it.


No, you havent, you have answered why you dont want Toulouse in SL. That wasnt the question i asked you. But you dont want to answer it and thats fine.

Thank fook for that.

Is this the bit where you tell everyone how wonderfully hilarious you are finding the 'bites'?

Thats always fun

Yes, it is.

Thought you were leaving me to it?

There is I suppose one plausible argument against more French teams: that it hinders their ability to grow a successful domestic competition. I'm absolutely 50/50 on what I think re. that, but it has something in common with the question of what would happen to domestic Scottish football if Rangers and Celtic joined the EPL? Good or bad for the teams left behind?

The argument about French teams not bringing many supporters to England for their away games is just a load of rubbish.

Look at the NRL. How many supporters do Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast, and especially North Queensland bring to their away games in Sydney? Answer: not many. North Queensland in particular bring about as many as Catalans. But in Australia you don't hear Sydney people moaning about how awful the lack of traveling support is from these clubs, especially North Queensland. Nobody in Sydney is saying "let's get rid of Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast and especially North Queensland."

Traveling support is a non issue in Australia, and it will be a non-issue in the UK, except in the minds of parochial people, (who perhaps deep down really don't like the French).

As each new French team comes into Super League it will initially be bad for the playing standards of the French domestic competition. That is because each new French Super League club will try and scoop up the best French players in the domestic competition.

But that initial impact should be compensated for over time by the promotion of junior playing numbers by each new French Super League team -- juniors excited by the prospect of a professional career in rugby league in their local region. Some of the influx of new juniors will make it to the Super League but most will join the domestic competition, waiting for the chance to be snapped up by a Super League team. This means that the French domestic competition will become a feeder for the French Super League teams.

So with each new Super League team the talent pool will be resupplied, and expanded, and that will be great for rugby league in France. It will be great for improving the quality of the French national team.

That means international rugby league competitions can become more credible, and prosper in a way that they never have prospered before.

The games with Catalans were often the most entertaining matches of all last season