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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Fair play to him. Although I am surprised Barba didn't win it. He was on a different planet to everyone else.'"
He played very well behind a amazing pack.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"In the driving rain, chemical air, freezing cold and on a plastic pitch?'"
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| Don't get all the negativity about this. Sinfield is not just a Leeds legend, but a legend of the Super League era. Not one other player has achieved what he has, and he's the driving force behind Leeds' success. Not quite a one man team, but I'd venture to suggest they'd be considerably poorer if Sinfield was injured for any length of time. Is there a player in world rugby who makes a greater contribution to their team's cause? I don't think so.
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| All this bitterness. I'm perplexed by the sheer number of people who seemingly can't comprehend what it is that Sinfield does and why he's so highly rated by other players and coaches who really understand the game. For years now Sinfield has been far and away the best leader in English rugby - both as a captain and in terms of leading the team around, he's the best kicker in English rugby - both in general play and conversions, his reading of the game is bettered by very few, and he's one of the few players in this country who can really control a game. Plenty claim he's average, but by every single definition of the word he is not. He's exceptional as are his achievements.
Why is there such a struggle to understand that leading a team round the park for 80 minutes of every game - as Sinfield does - is actually far more important than being a sublime broken field runner like Barba or Tomkins. Why is having a bit of everything as well as exceptional leadership and kicking not seen as being as good as being fast and elusive? This isn't about being the most entertaining player, it's about being the best player and to argue that Sinfield is unworthy of that accolade but Barba is? That's farcical. Would I pay the entrance fee just to watch Sinfield as I would for Slater, Barba or Tomkins? Probably not, but he'd be the first name down on my team sheet every single time because game after game and year after year he has been the difference. His highlights reel might not be as fancy, but few trophy cabinets can compare and he does it all with grace, grit and good sportsmanship.
If he was at Wigan or Warrington they'd be champions, he's also the reason they are not.
None of this is to say that others wouldn't be deserving of the award, but to suggest that Sinfield is undeserving? To me that shows bitterness and a complete ignorance of what he does.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"All this bitterness. I'm perplexed by the sheer number of people who seemingly can't comprehend what it is that Sinfield does and why he's so highly rated by other players and coaches who really understand the game. For years now Sinfield has been far and away the best leader in English rugby - both as a captain and in terms of leading the team around, he's the best kicker in English rugby - both in general play and conversions, his reading of the game is bettered by very few, and he's one of the few players in this country who can really control a game. Plenty claim he's average, but by every single definition of the word he is not. He's exceptional as are his achievements.
Why is there such a struggle to understand that leading a team round the park for 80 minutes of every game - as Sinfield does - is actually far more important than being a sublime broken field runner like Barba or Tomkins. Why is having a bit of everything as well as exceptional leadership and kicking not seen as being as good as being fast and elusive? This isn't about being the most entertaining player, it's about being the best player and to argue that Sinfield is unworthy of that accolade but Barba is? That's farcical. Would I pay the entrance fee just to watch Sinfield as I would for Slater, Barba or Tomkins? Probably not, but he'd be the first name down on my team sheet every single time because game after game and year after year he has been the difference. His highlights reel might not be as fancy, but few trophy cabinets can compare and he does it all with grace, grit and good sportsmanship.
If he was at Wigan or Warrington they'd be champions, he's also the reason they are not.
None of this is to say that others wouldn't be deserving of the award, but to suggest that Sinfield is undeserving? To me that shows bitterness and a complete ignorance of what he does.'"
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| Martin Sadler has apparantly spoken to Darren Lockyer on the subject of MrSinfield, and Lockyer thinks he is well worthy if the award and rates him as high as any in the NRL.
I'll take Lockyers opinion over people on here.
Well done Kevin, shame RL fans seem to see the negatives in anything. It may also cause some Aussies to spit the dummy out which is always a good thing
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"All this bitterness. I'm perplexed by the sheer number of people who seemingly can't comprehend what it is that Sinfield does and why he's so highly rated by other players and coaches who really understand the game. For years now Sinfield has been far and away the best leader in English rugby - both as a captain and in terms of leading the team around, he's the best kicker in English rugby - both in general play and conversions, his reading of the game is bettered by very few, and he's one of the few players in this country who can really control a game. Plenty claim he's average, but by every single definition of the word he is not. He's exceptional as are his achievements.
Why is there such a struggle to understand that leading a team round the park for 80 minutes of every game - as Sinfield does - is actually far more important than being a sublime broken field runner like Barba or Tomkins. Why is having a bit of everything as well as exceptional leadership and kicking not seen as being as good as being fast and elusive? This isn't about being the most entertaining player, it's about being the best player and to argue that Sinfield is unworthy of that accolade but Barba is? That's farcical. Would I pay the entrance fee just to watch Sinfield as I would for Slater, Barba or Tomkins? Probably not, but he'd be the first name down on my team sheet every single time because game after game and year after year he has been the difference. His highlights reel might not be as fancy, but few trophy cabinets can compare and he does it all with grace, grit and good sportsmanship.
If he was at Wigan or Warrington they'd be champions, he's also the reason they are not.
None of this is to say that others wouldn't be deserving of the award, but to suggest that Sinfield is undeserving? To me that shows bitterness and a complete ignorance of what he does.'"
You are way off the mark there. I would have Sinfield in my team like a shot if I could. The reasons I put as to why I don't believe he is worthy of the award has nothing to do with his ability over Cam Smith or Barba. The reason I don't believe he is worthy is because he hasn't done any of what you have said in a high intensity meaningful competition like the NRL, SOO, WCC(Where the Aussies take it seriously) and at test level against Australia. He has however done it in SL where Leeds have actually played around 6 matches that you could classify as intense. That is just not enough to be classed as the worlds best.
IMO for an SL based player to deserve the award, then SL needs to up its intensity and England need to start regularly beating the Aussies in international competitions. Until that day, SL will be compared to NRL in the same way we compare Championship rugby to SL.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I'd bet my mortgage on Parra beating Widnes. Actually, I'd bet Parra would beat Widnes and Salford together!
My point being, there is no hiding the fact that the NRL has more quality and is a tougher competition in the weekly rounds, and to produce such levels of consistant brilliance is staggering. I have nothing against Sinfield, born winner, but best in the world... I have to disagree.'"
The best point made so far and the most important. No doubt the point will be glossed over. Saying Sinfield is the best in the world is like saying the Rhinos are the best Club team after winning the WCC!
Anyone know who actually votes for these awards?
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"You are way off the mark there. I would have Sinfield in my team like a shot if I could. The reasons I put as to why I don't believe he is worthy of the award has nothing to do with his ability over Cam Smith or Barba. [size=150The reason I don't believe he is worthy is because he hasn't done any of what you have said in a high intensity meaningful competition like the NRL, SOO, WCC(Where the Aussies take it seriously) and at test level against Australia. He has however done it in SL where Leeds have actually played around 6 matches that you could classify as intense. That is just not enough to be classed as the worlds best.[/size
IMO for an SL based player to deserve the award, then SL needs to up its intensity and England need to start regularly beating the Aussies in international competitions. Until that day, SL will be compared to NRL in the same way we compare Championship rugby to SL.'"
Agreed. At least when Hanley and Schofield won the award they had at least demonstrated their ability at club level in Oz.
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| Before anything else is said, congratulations to Sinfield on winning the Golden Boot, personally I would rather see an England player win it than an Aussie any day of the week...
That said, to give him the award on the past year I think is a bit unfair. Yes he is a good leader, no question about that, but to name him the best player in the world is OTT for me. Compared to Cameron Smith, who also leads his team around the park and can kick goals from anywhere, Smith's abilities at the top level for Melbourne, Queensland and the Aussie test games vs NZ this year have been great. 50+ tackles in international and origin games as captain and then leading the team is a outstanding effort, and Smith was also able to lead his team to finish in the top 2, not 5th. Everybody will have their own opinions and is entitled to them, but as somebody who watches SL and NRL weekly Cameron Smith has by far been consistently the best player of 2012.
I also think, whilst Sinfield takes a lot of plaudits for being captain at Leeds, their turn around from the CC final loss to play off win was impacted more by the return of Danny McGuire to the team than anything else. Again, I agree Sinfield led well but McGuire has been fantastic for Leeds over the past few years and him returning from injury and his end of season performances were more key to Leeds than just having Sinfield as captain.
Once again, got nothing against the bloke and pleased that an Englishman has won the trophy. For years, we have been on the wrong end of unjust decisions in favour of the Aussies so nice to get one over on them for a change!
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| Quote ="rufio"If anyone saw Barba or Smith play last year and thinks Sinfield is better, they need their head looking at.'"
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Someone doing that has to be a good player. However, SL is almost like semi pro compared to NRL. .'" No, no it isnt.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, no it isnt.'"
Ok whatever you say. I'm not getting into an argument with you because you believe that you are right all of the time and anyone with a differing view point is wrong.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"You are way off the mark there. I would have Sinfield in my team like a shot if I could. The reasons I put as to why I don't believe he is worthy of the award has nothing to do with his ability over Cam Smith or Barba. The reason I don't believe he is worthy is because he hasn't done any of what you have said in a high intensity meaningful competition like the NRL, SOO, WCC(Where the Aussies take it seriously) and at test level against Australia. He has however done it in SL where Leeds have actually played around 6 matches that you could classify as intense. That is just not enough to be classed as the worlds best.
IMO for an SL based player to deserve the award, then SL needs to up its intensity and England need to start regularly beating the Aussies in international competitions. Until that day, SL will be compared to NRL in the same way we compare Championship rugby to SL.'"
So SL and the Challenge Cup are neither intense nor meaningful? Right, sorry, I didn't realise that. I also ignored the fact that Manly came over here for a laugh intending to lose.
You claim that NRL is streets ahead, but where exactly is the evidence for it? Serious question. Does 'more intense' automatically mean better? What more can Sinfield do than guide his team to victory over the NRL champions? They win it's proof of how superior they are, we win it's proof that they don't care - nice and convenient for the nay sayers. Gareth Ellis went to Wests and got their player of the year each season for his first three - how is that possible when all Australians are so superior? Sam and Luke Burgess are having a huge impact at the Rabbitoh's, but how many people here rated Luke?
Only recently has Sinfield been given the freedom to do what he does best and lead the team around, and the results against Australia, whilst still defeats, were the most promising they've been in years, maybe if he had more players of his calibre around him we'd stand a chance? Next summer's our last chance to find out.
People who know far more about the game than you or I seem to think he's worthy, so maybe you're just wrong? Oh, and a final note, the likes of Cronk and Barba didn't test themselves against the best player in the world last year, so how can they be considered the best?
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"You are way off the mark there. I would have Sinfield in my team like a shot if I could. The reasons I put as to why I don't believe he is worthy of the award has nothing to do with his ability over Cam Smith or Barba. The reason I don't believe he is worthy is because he hasn't done any of what you have said in a high intensity meaningful competition like the NRL, SOO, WCC(Where the Aussies take it seriously) and at test level against Australia. He has however done it in SL where Leeds have actually played around 6 matches that you could classify as intense. That is just not enough to be classed as the worlds best. '" No, again, you are factually wrong. Kevin Sinfield lifted his 6th grand final trophy, his 5th in 6 years, in his 78th consecutive appearance. He hasnt missed a game since august 2010 which includes 2 seasons where leeds played every possible challenge cup game and every possible super league play-off game.
Quote IMO for an SL based player to deserve the award, then SL needs to up its intensity and England need to start regularly beating the Aussies in international competitions. Until that day, SL will be compared to NRL in the same way we compare Championship rugby to SL.'" You do realise that every year we pit the best of SL against the best of the NRL dont you? There is only one team making excuses.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"c020.gif Ok whatever you say. I'm not getting into an argument with you because you believe that you are right all of the time and anyone with a differing view point is wrong.'"
No, you are wrong. You are provably wrong.
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| Fantastic for Kev to get this award IMO. Makes you wonder why he didn't get the Man of Steel award too.
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| Looking at Melbourne Storm's results for last season, at a glance, I can see the following scorelines:
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That's just in the first ten weeks or so, but it hardly lends credibility to the opinion that every game in the NRL is an ultra-intensive arm wrestle, does it?
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"So SL and the Challenge Cup are neither intense nor meaningful? Right, sorry, I didn't realise that. I also ignored the fact that Manly came over here for a laugh intending to lose.
You claim that NRL is streets ahead, but where exactly is the evidence for it? Serious question. Does 'more intense' automatically mean better? What more can Sinfield do than guide his team to victory over the NRL champions? They win it's proof of how superior they are, we win it's proof that they don't care - nice and convenient for the nay sayers. Gareth Ellis went to Wests and got their player of the year each season for his first three - how is that possible when all Australians are so superior? Sam and Luke Burgess are having a huge impact at the Rabbitoh's, but how many people here rated Luke?
Only recently has Sinfield been given the freedom to do what he does best and lead the team around, and the results against Australia, whilst still defeats, were the most promising they've been in years, maybe if he had more players of his calibre around him we'd stand a chance? Next summer's our last chance to find out.
People who know far more about the game than you or I seem to think he's worthy, so maybe you're just wrong? Oh, and a final note, the likes of Cronk and Barba didn't test themselves against the best player in the world last year, so how can they be considered the best?'"
Are you so deluded to think that SL is of the same calibre as the NRL? I haven't doubted for one moment that Sinfield is a good player, but by no means is he the worlds best. I also didn't say that SL and the CC are meaningless either. The have very few intense games compared to the ones I mentioned.
You have basically proved my point by stating that Sinfield needs more players of a higher calibre around him before England stand a chance. Sinfield hasn't played against or with the best. And someone who hasn't done that, can't and shouldn't be classed as the worlds best. The likes of Cronk and Barba play against more high calibre players week in week out than Sinfield.
As for the people who voted, we don't know who they are. For all you and I know, they could be Rhinos supporters (God forsake them )
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Fantastic for Kev to get this award IMO. Makes you wonder why he didn't get the Man of Steel award too.
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Because the man of steel is decided before the GF, and the golden boot is chosen by a panel of previous winners and greats of the game.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Are you so deluded to think that SL is of the same calibre as the NRL? I haven't doubted for one moment that Sinfield is a good player, but by no means is he the worlds best. I also didn't say that SL and the CC are meaningless either. The have very few intense games compared to the ones I mentioned.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade" Oh, and a final note, the likes of Cronk and Barba didn't test themselves against the best player in the world last year, so how can they be considered the best?'"
If Barba is the best he can't play himself. Lionel Messi doesn't play against the best in the world either so we can't consider him the best.
Sinfield is neither the best player in the world or the world's best player in 2012. He's world class* but he's not top of the pile.
*world class in the big games - he doesn't do it consistently week in, week out, or else Leeds would be higher than 5th. He if you argue he does do it week in, week out and Leeds still finish 5th then the rest of the Leeds squad must be extremely mediocre.
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| Quote ="Dougy"If Barba is the best he can't play himself. Lionel Messi doesn't play against the best in the world either so we can't consider him the best.
Sinfield is neither the best player in the world or the world's best player in 2012. He's world class* but he's not top of the pile.
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Au contraire, I can point to one piece of evidence (generally accepted prior to todays announcement) that states categorically that Sinfield is both the best player in the world or the world's best player in 2012. That you disagree with the fact doesn't change it.
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| Quote ="Dougy"If Barba is the best he can't play himself. Lionel Messi doesn't play against the best in the world either so we can't consider him the best.
Sinfield is neither the best player in the world or the world's best player in 2012. He's world class* but he's not top of the pile.
*world class in the big games - he doesn't do it consistently week in, week out, or else Leeds would be higher than 5th. He if you argue he does do it week in, week out and Leeds still finish 5th then the rest of the Leeds squad must be extremely mediocre.'"
There are, especially in the pack, some pretty mediocre players, there are also, some pretty aging players also in the pack who can only fire every so often. This is what led Leeds to some pretty mediocre performances.
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Kasiano, Ennis, Tolman,
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"So SL and the Challenge Cup are neither intense nor meaningful? '"
Well he's never won the Challenge Cup, so it doesn't matter if it's meaningful or not.
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