How the hell would reducing to 12 clubs suddenly mean those 12 are all top quality and can all spend to the cap?
We don't have enough clubs that are good enough. That's obvious. But if we just kept those that are then we'd only have a 5 or 6 team league.
The financial benefit to the clubs of moving to a 12 team league would be about £200k, but that would be reduced by having 2 less home games.
I'd agree there are still too many overseas players, but that number is and will reduce year on year as the rules start to bite. Plus there is myth put about that if we simply get rid of all or most pverseas players it would solve our problems. It won't. The sad fact is that whilst many of the overseas players are "average Aussies" they're often still better than their British, homegrown alternative.
We need to stop messing with the format at the top level, 14 teams is fine. Are we really saying that the few "good" players at the bottom 2 or 3 clubs would suddenly make the other 12 competitive? Leave it at 14, make it plain it will be a 14 team league for the long term then everyone knows where they stand.
We need to focus on how we coach and produce youngsters and then how we integrate into an open age setup, because far too many young lads are being picked up at SL academies without the proper skills. SL academies shouldn't be a place where you're having to teach a lad how to pass a ball, that should have been done years ago at grass roots level. And that is the far bigger issue, in my eyes anyway, rather than whether we have 12 or 14 teams in SL or even if we have P&R or licensing. Until we change the frankly sh|t nature of many of our amateur teams and leagues then we'll never compete with the Aussies and we'll never produce enough good homegrown players to fill a full-time league.

If it doesn't change the attitude at grass roots then we might as well call it Rugby (death by) Suicide.

Who outside of the super league offers anything positive to the game?

How many in SL offers anything positive to the game? I think that is the question being asked?

Leigh have a good ground and Halifax and Fev would get better support than London if they were in SL

Do you really belive Fev and Fax would get 3-4 K crowds? No really.

I recognise you are having a dig at London but now you've calmed down have a look at recent history.

It was a damned sight more successful than what we've got. Salford, Cas, Giants, Hull FC, Hull KR and Wakefield were all promoted under the P&R system.
Currently with licensing, we have Bradford in administration, Crusaders have disappeared (twice) London are perpetually in trouble, Wakey have been in administration. I heard a rumour from a Salford fan last week that they'll be next and a rumour this afternoon that Cas are also in trouble.
Licensing was supposed to bring financial stability to the game, For me that was its only plus point, it hasn't. The way things are going we'll have a Super league that consists of Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Wire. Is that really what fans want?

Really

2.3k at Fev today - Surely SL games would reach 3k easily. And with SL status, like Wakey Fev could grow their crowds - Fev were better supported than Wakey until Wakey went into SL - now it's the other way around
Halifax have a superb ground. And should be able to recruit new fans who would have gone to the Bulls I think 'Fax have been particularly badly hit by the Bulls previous marketing campaigns in their area. Then of course there's Leigh and Keighley, both prime candidates. I reckon a successful Keighley side in SL could possibly build in the RL desert that is East Lancashire too.

Franchising absolutely sod all to do with Bradfords problems.

In summary then Major Hound non of those clubs would offer anything more than what we have. Just as I thought

From what i have seen this year Fev would probably beat London and possibly Leigh or Fax would probably push them close and guess what they would bring fans to away games

Everyone does in their own way and it's only arrogant nice people like yourself who can't see that. Without many of the clubs in the tiers below super league rugby league would not be where it is today and if rugby league consisted only of super league it would fall flat on its bum.

Being a london fan you have to appreciate the privileged position you are in. Stop disparaging other clubs just because they've not been afforded the chances super league teams have.

The way clubs are funded would have to change for p&r to work. Ie 1.2 mill to sl clubs and 90k to championship clubs makes true p&r a no no. If it was changed to a sliding scale based on league finishing positions the gap would be closed.

Just as I thought, non of the clubs outside SL offer anything better than we already have.

They do act as "domestiques" abit like the sky cycling riders carying the water for Wiggins. Everyone has there place.

But abusing someone masks that doesnt it?

Ps did the RFL by Londons ground or the Bulls, just a thought

Cas, London, Salford, Wakey, Hull KR and Bradford need to step down a level. Leave the rest of SL to fight out a proper contest. Should then result in a pretty good semi-pro second tier league.

Of course over their thirty two years existence they've been an overwhelming success. No doubt they're thinking of renting Twickenham for their remaining home games.






If RL ran a "spot the crowd" comp London could be featured every week. They're a laughing stock throughout sport. They're in the capital with a huge population to draw on and the best they can do is about 1500 home supporters. What a huge boost the games status they are. Get rid is what I say.

But then the gap between the bottom and top of SL would increase.

and perpetuate it.

We have a pretty good SL with them in.

Rot.

really? it may have escaped your attention whilst you have been looking for reasons for negative so your club doesnt look so bad in comparison, but more people watch SL either at the games or on TV, than ever before.

I agree but I also think Wakey & Hull KR should stay up leaving a 10 team top League and (my Championship knowledge isn't great) a decent ten team semi-pro league?

Yes, as a business they are a complete joke

They manage to operate as a charity reasonably well, unfortunatley I dont think we'll have Bob organising concerts or swearing at people on TV to support them when the current ' well ' dries up

ah