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| Ahh, I recently posted a list of things that Leeds do during games that very little other teams do and are apparently the worst club for doing so (It was most aspects of the game imaginable) and now I've found out our Chairman can play with the governing body of Rugby league like puppets. I never realized we had total control on and off the pitch, what a magnificent time to be a Leeds fan. Long may it last!
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Ahh, I recently posted a list of things that Leeds do during games that very little other teams do and are apparently the worst club for doing so (It was most aspects of the game imaginable) and now I've found out our Chairman can play with the governing body of Rugby league like puppets. I never realized we had total control on and off the pitch, what a magnificent time to be a Leeds fan. Long may it last!'"
I can't think of a better club to run the game than Leeds.
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| Quote ="littlerich"I can't think of a better club to run the game than Leeds.'"
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| I have no anti-Hull axe to grind here, but returning to Pearson...
If, as he says, the result of the tribunal was a foregone conclusion, and the RFL have enforced a fairly straightforward rule correctly, then surely the party to blame for drawing out the case was Hull FC (ie, Pearson), because he could have simply dropped it, on the grounds he knew he was going to lose.
To persist with a case you know you have no chance of winning, and then blame the other party for the delay in reaching an outcome, is a bit rich, from a neutral perspective.
Or, more bluntly, he needs to pull his neck in.
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| I personally think Pearson is going to make Hull a stronger force down the track. However, I'm always wary of 'leaders' who whine. Why not focus on the positives - we'll never lose a player we want to keep, we got Ellis etc?
As for having a dig at the RFL, isn't the proper thing to do to join forces with like-minded clubs and approach the RFL en masse through proper channels, rather than bleating to the papers?
Smokey TA's right - has any whining club chairman come out with any positive suggestions for the game as a whole? Literally any fool can play devil's advocate. Its far harder to come out with ideas and let them be shot at.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"OK FWIW, here's my two-pennorth.
On much of what he said, I would have preferred him to keep his own counsel and make his feelings known through the proper channels, rather than the media. I've criticised othe clubs' chairmen for making similar outbursts and just because Adam Pearson is the owner of Hull FC, I'm not going to withold any criticism of him.
As far as the Luke Briscoe deal is concerned, it appears that he knew full-well that we would lose on a simple application of the rules, he's admitted as much in his statement. It seems he was more concerned about the circumstances leading up to Briscoe signing for Leeds. It seems that there is a strong suspicion that these were set in motion before his takeover of the club and he was hopeful that, if that was really the case, those circumstances would be taken into account or at least investigated further.
What then throws yet another spanner in the works, given all the above, why would Leeds then allow Jay Pitts to leave and join Hull FC, mid-season, without a fee? At the time of Pitts's arrival, many thought it was the sweetener to mitigate what had happened with Luke Briscoe.
But as I said, he'd have been better keeping his trap shut.'"
Is Pearson an idiot then?
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| Quote ="SirStan"Is Pearson an idiot then?
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=34&t=524051&tsmp=1335253704[/url'"
I have already said I consider it unwise to say much of what he did.
Your chairman is an idiot though because he moans about the running of the game, without turning up to a meeting in two years. He also moans about clubs' financial losses, when no one from the RFL are dictating to them how much (apart from salary cap limits), they should be spending.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I have already said I consider it unwise to say much of what he did.
Your chairman is an idiot though because he moans about the running of the game, without turning up to a meeting in two years. He also moans about clubs' financial losses, when no one from the RFL are dictating to them how much (apart from salary cap limits), they should be spending.'"
Unwise or idiotic? You do know he delegates attendance of said meetings to the CEO don't you?
I'm just loving your consistency on the subject that's all.
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| I think what seems to have gone relatively unnoticed through is that the previous regime at Hull (Hetherington, Rule, Agar) offered a very gifted young player a reduced offer on his contract renewal, which opens up the opportunity for other clubs to snap them up for free. With Kath probably aware of the impending takeover bid from Pearson, it seems fortuitous timing that her husband offers a contract to said player
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| Quote ="SirStan"Unwise or idiotic? You do know he delegates attendance of said meetings to the CEO don't you?
I'm just loving your consistency on the subject that's all.'"
I have been consistent, if you have difficulty differentiating between the two statements, that's simply a sad indication of how the quality of schooling in Hull has dropped since I left
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I personally think Pearson is going to make Hull a stronger force down the track. However, I'm always wary of 'leaders' who whine. Why not focus on the positives - we'll never lose a player we want to keep, we got Ellis etc?'"
He has actually spoken extensively on the two topics you mention - not losing other youngsters, the signing of Ellis, etc. - but these statements don't make the headlines.
He clearly feels he has evidence of wrongdoing - or at least shady dealing - in the Briscoe case. I have no idea how justified he is in this view and neither does anyone else on here. Something about it has certainly angered him way beyond losing a player who may or may not turn out to be a success in SL.
Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"As for having a dig at the RFL, isn't the proper thing to do to join forces with like-minded clubs and approach the RFL en masse through proper channels, rather than bleating to the papers?'"
It may well be that this approach has already been tried and has failed. The RFL aren't well known for their willingness to take on board criticism, no matter how well intentioned or presented.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I have been consistent, if you have difficulty differentiating between the two statements, that's simply a sad indication of how the quality of schooling in Hull has dropped since I left'"
Considering I didn't move to Hull until I left uni, I fail to see the relevance of your (idiotic?) statement.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I have already said I consider it unwise to say much of what he did.
Your chairman is an idiot though because he moans about the running of the game, without turning up to a meeting in two years. He also moans about clubs' financial losses, when no one from the RFL are dictating to them how much (apart from salary cap limits), they should be spending.'" Psst.
He sends his CEO.
So the FC chairman is unwise but yet the KR chairmain is 'beyond stupid'
No double standards there I see.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Psst.
He sends his CEO.
So the FC chairman is unwise but yet the KR chairmain is 'beyond stupid'
No double standards there I see.'"
What's the point in sending his CEO and then complaining about not having a meeting?
His comments became beyond stupid once he blamed the RFL for Hull KR's debt.
The RFL may administer SuperLeague but they certainly don't dictate to the SuperLeague clubs. The clubs themselves formulate the structure and how it should operate, the RFL act as a Health Visitor and make sure that no one is beating the baby too hard
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| Quote ="cod'ead"What's the point in sending his CEO and then complaining about not having a meeting?
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Well quite!
If not being invited/attending a meeting is such an issue that he feels it needs to be raised, why doesn't he get off his booty and turn up to one?
Surely his day job has enough managers that he doesn't need to oversee everything and can spare a couple of hours in Leeds? His company has an office there too.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"What's the point in sending his CEO and then complaining about not having a meeting?
His comments became beyond stupid once he blamed the RFL for Hull KR's debt.
The RFL may administer SuperLeague but they certainly don't dictate to the SuperLeague clubs. The clubs themselves formulate the structure and how it should operate, the RFL act as a Health Visitor and make sure that no one is beating the baby too hard'"
He didn't complain about not having a meeting, he said he hadn't been to one for more than 2 years.
Please show me where he has blamed the RFL for Rovers debts.
Other than that. your post was 100% spot on.
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| Quote ="SirStan"He didn't complain about not having a meeting, he said he hadn't been to one for more than 2 years.
Please show me where he has blamed the RFL for Rovers debts.
Other than that. your post was 100% spot on.'"
He moaned about a cumulative debt of £8m across Superleague clubs, of that sum, HKR is responsible for upwards of 25%
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| Quote ="cod'ead"He moaned about a cumulative debt of £8m across Superleague clubs, of that sum, HKR is responsible for upwards of 25%'"
A simple [i"I can't show you where he has said that"[/i would have sufficed.
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| If Pearson believes that the Hetheringtons, James Rule, the RFL or whoever else have stitched him up, he needs to present some evidence.
Otherwise he's just going to look like a bitter, paranoid delusionist.
I said at the time he got involved with Hull FC that their fans better be ready for a huge let down. He's been involved with three football clubs, all of which have failed to recover their former glories leading to him moving on fairly quickly. If Hull FC do manage to win trophies and increase the value of the club over the next 2-3 years, I'd expect to see him cash out and move on to his next project. If they don't, he'll be gone within 5 years anyway.
He's not in this for the love of the club, the love of the game or anything other than boosting the bank balance of Adam Pearson IMO.
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| Only just bought a club and now he wants to tell the RFL how to run their business. He'll be telling the NRL how to run their game next!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If Pearson believes that the Hetheringtons, James Rule, the RFL or whoever else have stitched him up, he needs to present some evidence.
Otherwise he's just going to look like a bitter, paranoid delusionist.
I said at the time he got involved with Hull FC that their fans better be ready for a huge let down. He's been involved with three football clubs, all of which have failed to recover their former glories leading to him moving on fairly quickly. If Hull FC do manage to win trophies and increase the value of the club over the next 2-3 years, I'd expect to see him cash out and move on to his next project. If they don't, he'll be gone within 5 years anyway.
He's not in this for the love of the club, the love of the game or anything other than boosting the bank balance of Adam Pearson IMO.'"
Hang on... He took Hull City to the Championship from Division 3, after being involved in gettin the stadium built. He sold them on because he didn't have the personal finance for a Premiership push, so he didn't just move on and leave them to it. He came back to them when they got relegated as a CEO.
So let's not make out like he is some kind of locust. If he does move on after improving our club, I will be grateful that he put in the effort to build us back up.
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| who is this fella anyway? what credentials does he have to lecture Maurice Watkins about sports administration (a Director of the biggest and most financially successful football club in the country, if not the world)?
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| Quote ="EHW"who is this fella anyway? what credentials does he have to lecture Maurice Watkins about sports administration (a Director of the biggest and most financially successful football club in the country, if not the world)?'"
He was involved with Leeds Utd until 2001, he was Hull City Chairman after that and led them to 2 promotions, he left them and went to Derby County.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"
I said at the time he got involved with Hull FC that their fans better be ready for a huge let down. He's been involved with three football clubs, all of which have failed to recover their former glories leading to him moving on fairly quickly..'" +
He was Commercial director at Leeds United and he brought large deal with bulmers, nike and sky to name afew, it's hard to see how he wasn't a success at leeds
he took over a 4th tier football club who had been locked out of their ground The club was in complete mess. Not only did he save the club he secured a brand new stadium for the city, under his guidance the club had back to back promotions started generating profits again when he sold them in 2008 for £12m he had built all the foundations for the promotion winning season.
spent 7 years in his 1st spell at hull city
at derby he was tasked with finding investment for the club and he did that with the american investors
he then returned to city, again tasked with finding investors he managed to convince the Allams to invest £50m into the club.
Of course there are occasions where he has made mistakes but in my opinion your brief assessment of his track record in football is complety wrong
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He was Commercial director at Leeds United and he brought large deal with bulmers, nike and sky to name afew, it's hard to see how he wasn't a success at leeds'" Apart from the fact they imploded just after he got out of dodge of course.
Apart from that you are pretty much spot on with the rest of your post..
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