What was the crowd for this big derby today?

Didnt saints put 70 on Fev last year? and Hull score 50 against Widnes? and Wigan against Sheffield in 2010? While Warrington put 48 on Fev and Bradford 50 on Dewsbury and 58 on Leigh in the same year? Didnt Wigan also score 64 at Widnes in 2010? and Les Catalans put 74 on Batley? and Wakefield beat Leigh by 54 in 2009? While Warrington beat fev 56-8 and Salford beat Batley 66-4 and Saints put 66 on Gateshead?

it is just a one off, if Fev was wiping the floor every week then it would be a valid point,. But last week an average Sheffield side put 60 points on them. Put it into perspective, if Cas put the same intensity in the match against Fev as they would do if it was against Leeds we wouldn't be talking about this.

The thread title is correct, Championship clubs should have an opportunity to play their way into the Super League, the result today didn't change anything regarding that

Zak Hardaker! that's one more than several SDL clubs....

The thread title is not correct at all. Championship teams should not be in Super League. Super League teams should be in Super League. Not all the clubs currently in Super League are Super League clubs, but that doesn't mean we should be letting more sub-standard clubs in.

Really? Which clubs?

If it's OK to let "sub-standard" clubs in then all sub-standard clubs should have the same opportunity. Clubs that meet the minimum criteria should all have their chance and those criteria should be fair and realistic.

I would cut Super league but whilst it is at 14 then other teams deserve the chance to play their way in, every year!

Either don't let any in or let them all have the same chance, teams at the bottom of Super league are the same as those at the top of the championship just with years of super league millions to fall back on.

Just think how exciting it would have been today if there was unlimited tackles, three points for a try, two extra forwards, line outs...

Some seem to ignoring reality. Teams can play their way into superleague, they just need to have a quality all round package to back it up once they have WON SOMETHING TO QUALIFY FOR THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

Yes, and those super league millions are supposed to be used to improve those clubs (which is different from teams) at the bottom of SL.

Your argument seems to be that if we cant offer the space for everybody to improve, all at once, we shouldnt offer the space to anybody ever. Which seems quite silly.

Yes there are some clubs in SL who need to improve, relegating them isnt going to do that.

Good change is good, bad change is bad



Thanks for telling me what my argument is, shall we have a quotespam war now?

The current system has no stick, failing clubs aren't relegated. They are guaranteed a place as they would go bust without super league money, some of them manage it with the money!

Which 'failing clubs' haven't been relegated, that would have been relegated under a system of automatic P&R?

Troll detected

Celtic Crusaders finished bottom in 2009 but made the play-offs the next season, as did Castleford in 2008 and Catalans in 2010. That doesn't exactly fit with your argument.

Not really, look at the attendance today. Fev's biggest game for years and not enough there to fund anything other than a sneaky win against us at Belle Vue.

Spot on!! Absolutely spot on.

Simply not true. One 'failing' club would have been relegated in this round of franchises if Crusaders hadn't imploded.

The current system has been in place for 3 years. Which clubs currently in Super League should have been relegated? Why? Replaced by which clubs and why?

There are a number of clubs trying their hardest to meet Super League criteria in the Championship.

A lot on here seem threatened by clubs showing ambition, which is a sad state, if you meet Super League criteria, you should be in, no replacing.

(Yes I know the pitfalls)

When you can spell allowed you may be listened to...

Taking nothing away from Fev but Cas are 5hite. REALLY 5hite.

Cas really are becoming the Championship teams whipping boys arnt they? First Fax take them to Golden point, then Barrow go and beat them, now Fev.......

some fans want promotion/ relegation brought back.. its a good thing in soccer as most teams are full time pro teams and no salary cap. in rl a team gets relegated and loses most of the team due to lower salary cap and therefore kills the team...keep a bigger salary cap in lowr leagues and the teams struggle financially?...in the light of day its a tough call

I can't see the shock here, Championship winners beat an erratic SL side?
It should be a reminder though, SL isn't forging ahead and taking over the Galaxy quite yet.