How much do you owe to Hughes? How much has he written off?

What re the net liabilities in your balance sheet?

Without Hughes you would have been history long ago. With a Hughes we would still have been a major force.

You really are a total and complete embarrassment to the decent London fans - which from my experience is all of them except Lister and yourself.

IMO we need a London SL club and it is spot on to applaud and support the development work being done there. And it is also right to recognise the difficulties the club has faced in building up a support base.

It's just a pity that you two seem determined to attack those friends you have.

Sanctamoious Knob....



By the way, some reckoned I'd need to change my bait, but I knew better

I think most readers will recognise derision as the last refuge of those who have just been made to look a fool.

If I cared what "most readers" recognise, I wouldn't post on these boards



London owe their owner money, money he will never see again and he knows it. At no stage has the Club I support "begged" for cash to keep them afloat, using emotional blackmail so as to ilicit finds from a public that are in no way responsible for the situation the club finds itself in.
FWIW, Listy is a Leeds fans and therefore his "pops" at the Bulls are to be taken with a pinch of salt, whilst I am the no1 anti-fan in London who rarely has a good word to say about the way the club is run....difference being, I accept that it is BAD MANAGEMENT AND INEPTITUDE..........you blindly defend the Bulls even though it is patently obvious that the current situation is down to BAD MANAGEMENT AND INEPTITUDE.

As of April 8th 2012, London Broncos are not in debt and do not face a winding up order...Bradford Bulls on the other hand have conned 480k out of the public and will in all probability raise the first 500k needed to save thyem...for now, but the 2nd 500k won't be so easy to come by.....you've already sold the family silver

See my post on another thread, to a far more sensible sceptical poster, which explains why you are wrong.

Lister posts in support on London on these forums, so that makes him a London fan.

I'd be a bit careful about throwing statements like "conned" around without proof. Libel and all that?

This!!

the fans that take joy @ seeing London struggle are pathetic trolls. Sit at their keyboards every week ready to have another blast at London Rugby League.

Bollox......I call it as I see it. Members of the public were told that Bradford Bulls would cease to exist if 500k wasn't raised...this is hogwash. The Holdong company would have flipped on it's debts..... the team been deducted points and continued to play in ESL under a new holding company and with a new owner.

You keep on nibbling and belive me, I'll keep on casting. For nearly 17 years London have been accused of being on backhanders from the RFL......never happened, but in the case of Bradford Bulls, it most definitely has.

Live within your means.....we didn't up to 2005 and paid the price......Wakey didn't as well and had to swallow the re-start..........is it because Bradford think such a route to salvation is "beneath them"?

It is embarrasing to see a top flight club getting sub 2k crowds but I take no joy in it and no should any true RL fan.

I don't see a SL presence in the capital for much longer TBH and I think that will be a real shame for the game.

Think you need your eyes testing mate. Not saying we travel in massive numbers but it was at least three times, maybe even four times that (one of your lot has actually given a number of over 400 - not sure where they get away fan numbers from though). Huddersfield were obviously expecting us to bring less because they had to open up more of the stand when we filled most of what was open.

You really are obsessed aren't you, over something that - when you get right down to it - has nothing to do with you and no direct bearing on you?

And over something that you really know little about.

I gather from reading this forum that that is the norm for you though, so I guess I should not get too wound up over it.

I must make a note to remember all this when Hughes finally decides everything has its limit. Do you have his successor lined up? Is he prepared to pump the same cash in?

as I said, the club I follow will have nobody to blame but themselves when they go under.....unlike Bradford, who will blame everyone other than themselves.
DH is a Saint...........he also needs his head examining, but once he's gone, that's it for London. 2k gates and no sponsors or revenue streams other than SKY TV and 30,000 tickets at a tenner all season.......makes you wonder as to the exact amount of ineptness and bad management that has gone on at Bradford to put them where they are now eh

Peter Hood has stated that the pledges will only be activated if the club can raise the other £500k it needs to finish the season. I think it's time that Gutters had a little lie down.

while i did look at the London crowd after returing from the Shay on friday and give out a little sigh, i understand that 'crowds' are really not important in securing a SL licence and a seat at the top table.

it is becoming all the more apparant ALL that maters is if you have a 'money man'

eventually the money men (hughes included) will decide enough is enough and pull their chequebook away. a sad day is looming on London Broncos, they are on borrowed time.

what is embarrasing is the thought London could technically appear in our 'showpeice Challenge cup final' and probably attract 4-5000 fans, Maximum! god knows how many free tickets the RFL would give away in london to give the impression that Londoners actually give a sh#t!

been played in their back yard.

if this happened and i was sat in a pub with lets say, an Ozzie a yawnion fan and a football fan, i would be embarassed!

would you?

No I couldn't give one what other people think. Stop being so insecure.

Who cares the final is always a mix of different people.

This is a very frustrating situation and a real shame for the sport. I'm not sure how much longer Hughes will continue to bankroll the Broncos.

RL does suffer from the lack of a national footprint and is quickly becoming irrelevant outside of the heartlands. I don't know how they are going to change things. How can they get more people interested down there? Another move maybe?

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Wow! Some brand new, interesting and diverse discussion for the VT! Thanks OP, I've never seen a thread like this before...

I wonder why this happens?

It would be stupid to deny that the Broncos have their issues, but what irritates me is that every time there's a poor crowd or bad result at an expansion club like London or a newly promoted club like Widnes, the same threads crop up, time and time again; 'END FRANCHISING', 'BRING BACK P AND R', 'TIME TO STOP EXPANSION'.

One might get the impression that fans are scared of change!

Expansion is working nicely now,unless your talking about forced expansion

You've just got to take it on the chin, Chief. Either that, or continue to make your point. Like you say, Widnes are taking some stick; some of it justified, some not. We have issues that certainly need to be addressed. If we don't do that, we will be harshly judged on boards like this.

London's attendances have been unsustainable for a very long time. They can only survive thanks to the incredible generosity of one man. I know that most clubs are in that position, but I bet they don't have to put in anything like the amount Hughes has to put in. What happens if he doesn't support the Broncos financially after the next round of licences?

I don't think these threads are all about knocking the Broncos. I think many are genuinely concerned for them and the game as a whole. I think most RL fans understand that a game based entirely round the M62 corridor will become a national irrelevance. This could see TV deals and sponsorship vanish from the sport. With RU now in the ascendancy, this could soon see us being a part-time sport again.

So, it is important that the Broncos get people to their games. If sub 2,000 attendances continue, people will, quite rightly, question their viability, in the same way Widnes will be questioned about their lack of competitiveness. Both clubs have work to do.

while I agree some people are just concerned about broncos there is no doubt that their is a fair few who just wanna see London gone no matter what. They would be moaning about something else if it wasn't attendances.

Fair point, can't say I've had any trouble getting around London late in the evening on the trains/tube myself, but it does depend on exactly where you're going to I suppose, leaving you at the mercy of the timetable.