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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Did he get a better offer from another club in yorkshire?'"
Funnily enough, nobody bothered to share those details with me.
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| Quote ="spooky"Anyone with half a brain can see the ambition of Hull owner Adam Pearson. He's already done the impossible by guiding Hull City to the premiership. It's not exactly a stretch to think that he can actually make something happen at Hull FC. I'm not sure why people are having such a hard time with this.'"
Arguably a pedantic point, but Pearson did not take City all the way to the Premiership. Most of the way and was then there to help pick up the pieces.
Fans tend to be sceptical of the grand plans of rival clubs. Even their own if they're wise and/or miseries. This signing will be a big step towards diminishing that, but it won't remove it totally. Hull have been on the verge for a while now, according to their more optimistic fans. This time I think there might be something in it, but others maybe need more convincing.
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| Well I don't know who offered what, but well played to him I rather he goes somewhere else than Leeds and spread the rugby talent around, makes for a better competition. Same reason I was happy rumors of Rangi Chase to Leeds didn't come true I hope Cas build a team around him and become more competitive.
He says he didn't do it for the money, maybe he wanted a combination of money and chance of winning something. Maybe Hull offered a lot more money than other clubs capable of challenging, but there was another substantial offer from say Widnes or Cas that he turned down Just a thought!
Either way great player deserves his money (a pittance compared to football for putting his body on the line). Good luck to him!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Why have so many people assumed that Hull have offered him the biggest pay packet?
"Best offer" doesn't mean "most money". It's in the public domain that other clubs offered more.
It's amusing seeing some of the "big" clubs acting condescending towards us, saying that the only way we could get him is by offering him a huge pay packet, and that they didn't need him anyway as the already have plenty of quality back rowers. Hull have Manu, Tickle, Westerman and now Ellis in the back row. someone's going to be either on the bench or in the front row next season!'"
To be fair if Cas or Widnes offered me a bit more than Hull, I'd probably take Hull.
Clearly, he's gone to Hull 'to win things'.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Why have so many people assumed that Hull have offered him the biggest pay packet?
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Why else would he go there? Why are people struggling to see this(well outside of Hull anyway)?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"It was widely reported that Ellis went from Wakefield to Leeds for less money, in order to win stuff.
Not sure about when he went to Aus, but that was just about him playing in the greatest RL competition.
If what’s been touted about on here is true, he hasn’t gone to Hull because they are the biggest paymasters, however, the biggest financial offer surely came from a club, he believes, isn’t going to win squat in the next few years.
[uBut, if he still wants to win stuff, why take a punt on Hull?[/u'"
What a silly statement! I recall not too many years ago a lot of people had that attitude about Wire, a new coach and some astute signings changed that! Hull have a new coach, one with a good pedigree and now we are starting to make some very astute signings, we are going in the right direction....
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Arguably a pedantic point, but Pearson did not take City all the way to the Premiership. Most of the way and was then there to help pick up the pieces.
Fans tend to be sceptical of the grand plans of rival clubs. Even their own if they're wise and/or miseries. This signing will be a big step towards diminishing that, but it won't remove it totally. Hull have been on the verge for a while now, according to their more optimistic fans. This time I think there might be something in it, but others maybe need more convincing.'"
Fair point. Other fans are probably not aware of the sweeping changes that have been made since the old regime and just how bad things had gotten under Uncle Kath, James Rule & Richard Agar. I can tell you that until Pearson took over, most Hull fans were frustrated that a club with such potential was stagnating because of poor player development and a 3rd rate coach (amongst other things). We may have been on the verge a few years back but the appointment of Agar and the unwillingness of the Board to invest where needed took us backwards.
There's been clear intent all over the shop from Pearson that he aims to make us a top side and win silverware. One thing that makes him stand out is that it's clearly not all talk. His actions over such a short period of time speak volumes. If I were a player being courted by Hull FC this would certainly grab my attention.
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| Hull allegedly do not offer the biggest payday..MaCrae puts a dossier together and sends it to Ellis.
My question is...What was in that dossier of intent that swayed Ellis?
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"What a silly statement! I recall not too many years ago a lot of people had that attitude about Wire, a new coach and some astute signings changed that! Hull have a new coach, one with a good pedigree and now we are starting to make some very astute signings, we are going in the right direction....'"
I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?
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| Good signing IMO.
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| Quote ="rover49"Good signing IMO.'"
Just good?
We've signed a player who's in the top two in his position the other been Sam Thaiday. Not a position we were desperate to strengthen but it's Ellis for god sake the guys an amazing player.
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| There's room in the statement that allows for the actual money paid by Hull to be less but taking contract length & any "unconnected" 3rd party deals makes the whole package very attractive to Ellis.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?'"
Pearson has also brought in Aspinwall and Tony Martin.
As for Ellis, cracking player, superstar of world rugby, will be a fantastic signing!
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I fail to see how signing one second rower will take you from a mid table team to winning things? Who are these other 'astute' signings you've made?'"
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Added to the likes of Yemo, Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, O;Meley, Moa
Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"So far:
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Added to the likes of Yemo, Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, O;Meley, Moa
Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.'"
Didn't Agar sign some of those, therefore they must be rubbish.
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| Quote ="ry21"Didn't Agar sign some of those, therefore they must be rubbish.'" Mot FC fans will acknowledge that Agar brought some good talent to our club, the problem was he did not know what to do with them!!
A prime example of this is Will Smith, pretty poor under Agar, now a different player under a coach with a good pedigree.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"So far:
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Plus Gentle is bringing youth through, several of our youngsters have been introduced.'"
Ok, they are solid players, but not much more imo. Ellis is a cut above those mentioned but the likes of Seymour, Hermenia and O'caroll aren't exactly world beaters. Lynch isn't getting younger, but Mckinnon does look good from what I've seen so far. It's just coming across to me like the Hull fans seem to think like this signing is the difference between being a mid table side to one of the top sides. You have a bit to go yet.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Ok, they are solid players, but not much more imo. Ellis is a cut above those mentioned but the likes of Seymour, Hermenia and O'caroll aren't exactly world beaters. Lynch isn't getting younger, but Mckinnon does look good from what I've seen so far. It's just coming across to me like the Hull fans seem to think like this signing is the difference between being a mid table side to one of the top sides. You have a bit to go yet.'"
Most realistic FC understand building to success takes time, however regarding your point, name me 1 team in SL who have a team full of players with the calibre of Ellis, most teams are built on solid players, players like Ellis enhance a team.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Just good?
We've signed a player who's in the top two in his position the other been Sam Thaiday. Not a position we were desperate to strengthen but it's Ellis for god sake the guys an amazing player.'"
Amazing signing, greatest player the world has seen, I'm so excited I could orgasm.
Is that better
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Mot FC fans will acknowledge that Agar brought some good talent to our club, the problem was he did not know what to do with them!!
A prime example of this is Will Smith, pretty poor under Agar, now a different player under a coach with a good pedigree.'"
OMG weve signed will smith aswell haha
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"OMG weve signed will smith aswell haha'" This will make headlines all over the world!!
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| I was pretty made up by the signing of Ellis, but this thread and the one on the Leeds board has been the icing on the cake.
Keep it up, chaps.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Pearson has also brought in Aspinwall and Tony Martin.
As for Ellis, cracking player, superstar of world rugby, will be a fantastic signing!'"
Both of whom have played well so far this season, and are stop-gap signings until Gentle has the time/budget to reshape his squad.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I was pretty made up by the signing of Ellis, but this thread and the one on the Leeds board has been the icing on the cake.
Keep it up, chaps.
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It's nearly as good over on the Wakey board
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