Fine then, as a potential paying customer im going to picket outside babestation. Im sick of the lack of RL themes on babestation and it is wrong. Over the next two years i will spend hours and hours 'researching' babestation to see how many mentions of the RL World Cup there is. And if there isnt, Babestation are obviously doing something wrong.

If RL fans want a newspaper which promotes RL they can buy one, In fact there are two dedicated RL only papers. The only reason RL isnt promoted in the Telegraph is that people who buy the Telegraph buy it regardless of its RL coverage. If showing RL were to make the Telegraph money they would cover it. As it is, it doesnt, so they dont. No amount of badgering is going to change that, they only thing which will increase their RL coverage is RL coverage bringing in or keeping customers for the Telegraph.

No, thats badgering, its harrassing. The Telegraph arent going to spend money on covering RL just to stop people annoying them.

No, not everyone who pickets is a nutter. But people who equate something as trivial as RL coverage in a newspaper with things like Jobs, pensions, animal rights etc, etc, are clearly not playing with a full deck.

That may be so.He seems a bit misguided though

You would suggest wrong. People should get involved and they should do what they can to help the game. Im full of respect for those who go out and get clubs set up, who pester, and badger, and beg, steal and borrow to get clubs, and team started and continuing. Im just pragmatic enough to understand there is a time and a place. I understand that whilst a letter writing campaign might help get an amateur side a grant for a new club house, it isnt going to get a council to buy a new SL stadium. And I understand that you might be able to badger a local paper in to advertising a gala day for a local amateur club you arent going to be able to pester a multi-million pound media group into reassessing its sports coverage.

Get some perspective FFS, If you honestly think Ben Clissit is going to try and secure the extra funding needed to increase RL coverage on the basis that someone is annoying him and he just wont shut the f@#k up then you really need to do yourself a favour and speak to someone who has been involved in this type of stuff before.

Our job isnt to annoy people so much the cover RL just to stop us bothering them, that is a stupid way of approaching it. Our job is to show that RL is a popular sport, attractive, and exciting. A sport that we want to read about, that we will spend money reading about.

As i said we catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Babestation aren't claiming to cover the news though, so it's a completely ridiculous argument. The Daily Telegraph are claiming to cover the news, but leave out a vast portion of it. Those that buy it for the (sports) news are entitled to have their say.

If you want to compare using Babestation, it would be like them claiming to have the best babes on TV, but refusing to put on say northern girls because they don't want to. Maybe the viewers want to see northern girls, since they get some of everything else. They are allowed to ask for it and campaign for it if they wish because the station is claiming to offer something and isn't. They never claimed to be a news or sports channel, so asking for rugby league is just ridiculous.

I read the DT for about 25 years before I moved here. Regularly saw adverts for England Internationals, Bar barian Games, Lion Tours and Rugby Union Club games.......never, not once did I see any form of paid representation in the DT.
FACT.....Newspapers will a) print what they believe their audience want to read. b) receive cash for advertising that producers and servicers are willing to pay to reach the audience they are attempting to reach. c) always give more column inches to subjects that also spend advertising revenue in their paper......

I am the first to bang on about the lack of coverage for League, but I will not blame the papers, radio stations or other media......the blames lies squarely with TGG and the total lack of understading of how topromote itself.

I repeat...his claim that nobody knew the double header was on is stupidity at the highest level and does the game no favours at all.......the FACT is that the RL community knew the game was on and couldn't be bothered to fork out a tenner for 2 games of RL.....that is the problem, not the lack of coverage in a right wing unionite favouring paper.

Call me any name that makes you feel better....it won't change the fact that my opinion differs to yours or the other 15 people a month who will click on the RL tab on the DT website every month!

At the end of the day, the DT will publish what they think will sell copies. Of course the readers can voice their opinions as to what they want to see and if their is sufficient demand, there may be changes but at the end of the day, the role of the editor(s) is to sell copies, not please everyone.

Lol at the Barneysook telling RL fans how it is seeing as he had no clue what RL was until 2001-2




Raaaaaaaaaaah

........and there you have it. Simple when you think about it really.....the fact that 1 guy has complained is admirable, but that only. It will make no difference to the content of the nearly 600,000 copies they sell every day at ₤1.20.

Keep it up idiot.....it shows you in your true light, although I'd be keen to hear why you pointing when I started watching Rugby League has anything to do with the issue under debate?

It's obvious. He wants to diminish your credibility by pointing out you've only been watching sooooooooper dooooooper league (haha) since 2001, but then, that doesn't quite work out because it's 10-11 years ago now.

How do you know the RFL aren't doing all they can to promote the game and are just getting shown the cold shoulder? How many RL fans complain about the lack of coverage in the papers they read? How many of them actually do anything about it? How are the RFL supposed to argue that people want this, that and the other if the people that are supposed to want these things don't actually do anything about it?

This guy may only be one guy now, but if there were more fans as passionate about the game as he is we might actually be able to get ourselves as a game noticed, but probably because there's a section of our own fanbase that actively seek to p*ss on anything positive anyone tries to do to help the game that doesn't happen very often.


By nobody, I'm guessing he's talking about outside of the RL community. We're supposed to be targeting new audiences. We were in London. And not all tickets were a tenner, and even if they were, it's not just a tenner to come to the south for the day is it? Hence why we need to be advertising to those potential new fans in the south and regular stories in papers that seem to want to ignore us would help.


You're entitled to your opinion. But your negative and patronising attitude about someone trying to do something positive for the game whilst offering no alternative or better suggestion isn't going to achieve anything.

The DT doesnt pretend it covers everything that happens everywhere.
I notice they dont have a tab for darts, or Lawn bowls, or squash or a dedicated athletics tab, or sailing or a multitude of other sports because space is limited, investment is limited and what they cover is limited we have no right expect, or demand that they choose to cover our sport. We arent entitled to it, they will choose to cover the sports which are most beneficial to them. They arent a public service operator, they are a private business entitled to make whatever decision most beneficial to them.

Besides, is this the image we want to present as a sport? cover us or some lone nutjob will create as much of a stink as they can, they will pester and badger you until you meet their demands. Im sure that will have media and sponsors falling over themselves to be associated with us.

Because the results are there to see. The RFL arent doing enough and that much is obvious. If they were we would have better column inches and more coverage and more visibility. But we get that by presenting a solid, professional image. One of a cutting edge sport, with a large, loyal fanbase. We present ourselves as a game and an industry with a professional outlook, with a knowledge of working use of media and image management. Not one which stamps its feet when it doesnt get what it believes it is entitled to handed to it on a plate.

Get 15/20 thousand people in and around london paying to watch live rl every week and newspapers like this might start giving a stuff

ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT?
Seriously....alternative to what? 1 Bloke having a whine?

I have pointed out the link between paid advertising and editorial coverage and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean I didn't post it. If you have an axe to grind with me and my standpoint, then fine, but to continue with the "patronising" rubbish is simply inane.

There is no conspiracy against Rugby League by the Media and anyone who says there is needs their bumps looking at. This is the 21st Century.......there is a global financial meltdown taking place and Media bosses will dig up their dead grandmothers and sell them for revenue. If RL represented an opportunity to "turn coin" then Adrian Morley would be on every front page in the country......but it isn't and a bloke from up north standing outside the offices of the DT will not make 1 jot of difference.

RL and in most cases, RL Fans, need to ask themselves what it is they want for TGG. Firstly, I would suggest that all clubs, especially the one I follow, =#FF0000concentrate on filling their own stadiums. That costs money........no 2 ways about it. IL has worked wonders at Wigan, the guys at Hull FC have cracked it too and Bradford are on the right track.....

The opening round of SL in 2012 has a potential capacity crowd of 130,000 (and change).....=#FF0000fill the grounds and repeat that and the Media will have to sit up and pay attention.

BTW, the bits in =#FF0000RED BOLD are an alternative to one guy who has already dropped off everyones radar except on here...HTH

I would suggest if RL fans are unhappy with the coverage given to RL in the DT , the simplest way of showing that unhappiness would be not to buy it , that's how it works

What would be the opinion of the posters on this thread , if I was to do a one person ' picket ' outside Red Hall to show my displeasure at the way the Championships are treated by the RFL ?

Would I see messages of support on these boards ? , or would I be considered a ' nutter ' ?

You'd get a mixed response as usual although I can at least agree that there is something worth complaining about and I'm sure others feel the same.

It just seemed a realistic analogy Chris

Awwww poor little hornsgle is going to cry here as well.

Hey, if you don't like what I say, why keep quoting me esp in threads I make SookyBarney, just put this big bad Aussie bully on ignore and stop your bloody whinging?

You're a pathetic little tryhard internet stalker

What alternatives are there for the fans to do? Write a letter to the RFL demanding they be more effective at publicising our game? Wear their replicas to work? I think that the fact that one man was passionate enough to actually go and do what he did may have at least reminded the editor of our plight. ATEOTD - we all know that RL gets approx 0% coverage in the capital and unless people actually do anything about it, the game will not be in the southern based medias conciousness if you like.

Did you read the bit in red in my previous post? FANS CAN ATTEND GAMES......Fill stadiums and the papers will pay attention.
As for him reminding the editor of "our plight"...WTF

Rugby League is not a friggin' charity and shouldn't have to go cap in hand to anyone.
Southern media bias blah blah blah....show them some coin, or at least an audience and they will write about it.....but 3,000 at the Stoop, 4,000 at Salford or 10,000 for an international in Leigh isn't going to float their boat.

42,000 for the RL International RL Double Header featuring the worlds best 3 teams....Saracens got that for a Heineken Cup match recently......was it because the Daily Telegraph wrote about it....or could it have been the advertising the club placed in and around the area, as well as in the London Press? Saracens average about 6k at normal games, but they spend monsy, advertise and low and behold.....they get 7 times their normal crowd.....
I am sure if they got a disgruntled fan to stand outside the offices of the DT they would have filled the place

You are being rather melodramatic you make it sound like a large scale refugee camp stuck in the middle of a war zone with no food or water. Exactly what dreadful danger or risk are we talking about here?


The paper in question before "the picket" had 28 articles (excluding blogs) during the 4 nations tournament purely about that tournament, this clearly is not 0% coverage and seems fairly good representation for a tournament that generates the level of interest that it does. London version of the Metro covers most of Quins/Broncos games and is on a par with most other sports except football, even the likes of the Mail and the Evenening Standard regularly have articles on RL. Radio London broadcasts most Quins/Broncos game live and a regular RL discussion program. Talk Sport regularly covers and mentions RL. BBC when based in London renewed rights to the Challenge Cup. Sky has been very generous to RL over the years.

Show me some major media outlets based in London covering sport that provides 0% coverage. You are clearly speaking from a position of ignorance, please check the facts.

The "Rugby League" option seems to have disappeared from the Telegraph's sport page today...

indeed - looks to have been replaced by "review of 2011". Best get the banners dusted off and get down to London.

No ' takers ' I see

move along...nothing to see here

...unless of course you are a fan of the game and you know what you're looking for.
[urlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/[/url

well done, i was able to find it by going the long way too... My point is that the exposure we had before is now gone. We as RL fans know where to go for our RL news, but borderline fans who use the tele's website are the ones we could have reached here with such exposure...