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| can i be your touch judge or the video ref?
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| Looks like the Aussies have got their way again [urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/14/matt-ceechin-referee-four-nations[/url
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| It should be Perenara, that's the only way to ensure fairness even though he might be more likely to make a mistake. Having an Aussie or an Englishman ref is an absolute disgrace.
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| Not heard anything official yet (nothing on RFL site and no press release out yet) but I do believe it as it's written by Andy Wilson.
Interesting question; should it be selected on performance in the tournament or neutralness?
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| looks like the aussie will get their way again, as usual. Pressure the ref in the lead up defo worried about England . Aus or NZ ref they know that they will always get the 50 /50 decisions .
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"Not heard anything official yet (nothing on RFL site and no press release out yet) but I do believe it as it's written by Andy Wilson.
Interesting question; should it be selected on performance in the tournament or neutralness?'"
Good question indeed, would personally go on performance, just like picking any team you always go for the best individuals. That definitely would rule out NZ ref and Bentham has been his usual crap self, the French one not even on the 4 nations ref panel and he's worse than Bentham!!
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| I think some people need to take off their biased glasses. The RFL aren't going to appoint a referee just because Sheens has been moaning. And Cecchin won't be biased just because the country of his origin. I'm a referee myself and have refereed the team I have played for on a few occasions. I'm not biased towards them. My career means too much for me to ruin it by that. So does Matt's
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| oh well. it was nice having a bit of hope for a while.
There is absolutely no way that Cecchin will give any of the 50/50 decisions to England - as he wont want to jeopardise his NRL position next season.
Makes me sick that the RFL roll over every single year.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"I think some people need to take off their bias glasses. The RFL aren't going to appoint a referee just because Sheens has been moaning. And Cecchin won't be biased just because the country of his origin. I'm a referee myself and have refereed the team I have played for on a few occasions. I'm not biased towards them. My career means too much for me to ruin it by that. So does Matt's'"
Matt's career in the Australian competition? The only way he is going to ruin his career is by sending off a couple of Aussies for foul play. The Aussies know this, and will push him to the limits knowing that they can pretty much do anything they want without getting punished.
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| Quote ="EHW"oh well. it was nice having a bit of hope for a while.
There is absolutely no way that Cecchin will give any of the 50/50 decisions to England - as he wont want to jeopardise his NRL position next season.
Makes me sick that the RFL roll over every single year.'"
The RFL aren't rolling over. It's up to them to pick whether they want a neutral ref or the best performer.
Quote ="EHW"Matt's career in the Australian competition? The only way he is going to ruin his career is by sending off a couple of Aussies for foul play. The Aussies know this, and will push him to the limits knowing that they can pretty much do anything they want without getting punished.'"
They won't drop him if he makes the right call.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"The RFL aren't rolling over. It's up to them to pick whether they want a neutral ref or the best performer. '"
And on performances in this tournament Mark Cecchin fulfills neither criteria!
I want a referee that is preferably neutral but more importantly is familiar with and has experience of refereeing to the International Rules.....again Mark Cecchin fulfills none of these criteria!
So just what justification other than pandering to the moans of the Aussies can be given for his appointment?
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"The RFL aren't rolling over. It's up to them to pick whether they want a neutral ref or the best performer.
.'" Im not sure those two things are mutually exclusive. If Cecchin is the ref I would be looking at swapping Bailey for Carvell because Cecchin picked up none of the messing about at the PTB, If Cecchin didnt have the balls to send either Smith or Luke off after their performance on Saturday, it would be like Christmas for Bailey.
Though considering what it took for Cecchin to ping the kiwis at the PTB last week Bailey could probably get away with full on stabbing someone "You've come in with the knife, stabbed him and intentionally killed him, no more! Its going on report"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Though considering what it took for Cecchin to ping the kiwis at the PTB last week Bailey could probably get away with full on stabbing someone "You've come in with the knife, stabbed him and intentionally killed him, no more! Its going on report"'"
I choked on me tea a little bit then - both at the bit in bold and at the idea that Bailey would be in any way effective against the Aussies.
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| Its between bentham and cecchin. It will be announced tomorrow morning at 10/11. Each country (aus, england and new zealand) gets one vote each. Assuming that we vote bentham and the aussies vote cecchin, it will be down to nz to decide.
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| heard that an Aussie Ref has got the final,,if thats so,then OMG,,What a joke,,,..Just can imagine the first iffy decision against England and i can just see these boards heat up....
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| It seemed to have been done on a rota all through the 4 nations..Now the posts have been moved....If they were worried about this scenario,then why didn*t they have Alibert as a back up?...We all now Penera(sp) had a couple of big blunders in the game at Wembley,but Bentham as we all know has his moments as well...But if Checcin does get the game then you can just imagine the 1st iffy call against England and these boards will be hot!!!!!!
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| The whole system stinks
The Ref should be neutral, it is wrong that the only pro ref that is not a national of any of the four participants is not part of the ref's squad
The NRL provided two refs and the ESL provided one, why is each hemisphere represented by two teams yet ours only provides one ref?
The southern hemisphere believe their own refs are unable to handle a top class game on their own so why are they reffing the biggest games at international level?
If it comes to a vote as suggested then why do three of the four competitors get a vote and not the WRL? Why is there not a neutral board in charge of appointments?
Perenera should be the only choice from the current squad, the English refs always bow to the Aussies and reffing an Australian defeat in a final will kill your career if you are an Aussie ref
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| It's a complete joke and it shows Australia are slightly concerned.
England should refuse to play, simple as that.
People say he won't be biased, based on the first game I'm not convinced. The NRL referees ALWAYS referee internationals over here with the attitude of 'I'll show you how it should be done, this is how WE do it'.
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| refs ought to be neutral regardless of their experience. To the Aussies its all about having the 'best' ref - which generally means reffing games as though it were the NRL. Part of international sport is having a ref who will sometimes call things differently.
Having said that, if not a neutral I'd prefer an Aussie to a British ref. In the past our refs have been desperate to show impartiality, sometimes to our detriment.
In any event, here's hoping nobody remembers the ref after the weekend. Unless a last minute call wins England the game....
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"refs ought to be neutral regardless of their experience. To the Aussies its all about having the 'best' ref - which generally means reffing games as though it were the NRL. Part of international sport is having a ref who will sometimes call things differently.'" Agreed. If Perenara is not deemed to be good enough, then he shouldn't have been part of the squad in the first place and we should have had a neutral ref who was up to the task. The fact that he has already refereed England v Australia means that there is no justification for not using him again.
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| Perenara made a couple of bad calls at Wembley but has otherwise done well in this comp. Bentham and the Aussie have been poor and average respectively. Give it to Perenara. He's neutral - well, he's not because he's an NRL ref, and nationality doesn't come into it, it's about interpretation of the rules. Anyway, I think he'll step up. He needs to get the respect of the players like anyone else but he maybe stands a better chance as a former player. A pot plant would get more respect than Bentham at the moment and Cecchin doesn't seem to have any personality at all. Watch the games Perenara reffed again - he's a good ref.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"The NRL referees ALWAYS referee internationals over here with the attitude of 'I'll show you how it should be done, this is how WE do it'.'"
Not sure that's totally true - they ref it on their insticts and interpretation of the game, not just the rules. All that's shaped in the NRL. We're no better than every whinging Aussie since tests began if we start goin on about the ref. They should ask both coaches who they want to ref it and then send those two blokes home.
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| Quote ="Walter Neff"It seemed to have been done on a rota all through the 4 nations..Now the posts have been moved....If they were worried about this scenario,then why didn*t they have Alibert as a back up?...We all now Penera(sp) had a couple of big blunders in the game at Wembley,but Bentham as we all know has his moments as well...But if Checcin does get the game then you can just imagine the 1st iffy call against England and these boards will be hot!!!!!!'"
Alibert has had to go home for personal family reasons and as such is not available.
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| The RFL lost the moral high ground on neutral refs when they stopped insisting on it for SL IMO.
The moment they decided to allow refs to control games involving their home town teams, running the opposing argument at international level became nothing short of hypocrisy.
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| Quote ="Him"I vote for jonny the leyther, I reckon the Aussies wouldn't know what'd hit em after 39 penalties against them in the first 20 minutes
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