That said, a few shoulder charging knock outs of old from Morley next weekend please, followed by a brawl or two from Peacock.

Or just a win

Luke is a cracking player but was more intent on cheap shots than concentrating on winning the game

He's a liability

Lost all respect I had for NZ last night. Nothing but thugs looking to start a fight. The likes of Luke (should be banned for life), Jeremy Smith, Adam Blair, Manu, Hargreaves... I just kept thinking to myself "Look at the scoreboard you mugs". We won, your off home on your long trip knowing you could only beat a semi-professional Welsh team.

And as for Benji Marshall, drop the tough guy act - we know your softer than a soggy loaf so dont pretend your a big man.

He's a liability'"

I lost all respect fror NZ at the beginning of the tournament as all they have looked like they wanted to do was slow the game down instead of playing.

IMHO i'd say that this NZ team is the dirtiest team i have ever seen.

What about Smiths elbow to the grounded players jaw(Tomkin's I believe) shocking- Only one intent and that was to maim-Coward

As alot of people have mentioned, this was a very dirty NZ team, with some who only had the intent to injure English players. There were a few incidents that could and should have resulted in at least a yellow card. The amount of messing around at the ruck, cheap shots in tackle and thats before we get to the hit on Tomkins and Lukes cheap effort on Chase. The worst thing about those two was the obvious intent. It seemed to me that some NZ where only interested in a fight tonight.

What always gets me in incidences like this is the actions of the officials. The ref clearly told Luke (can't remember in the Smith one) what he had done and told him he had clearly set out to injure the player in question. If it's that 'clear' why simply just put it on report?

It's an old one (and slightly academic due to us winning) but what benefit will having the incident put on report be to England - the team who was sinned against?

If Chase had gone off injured, we would have been without a first choice player but NZ would still have their full complement.

Thats what I hate most about the on report. Whats more frustrating is you see players get binned or sent off for less than those two incidents.

N.Z really let them selves down last night in the way they played.
Thought Kearney gave an honest account of the game, saying England out played them and the Kiwis discipline was very poor.

It's a cop out mate. Refs in the past like Thompson, Holdsworth & relatively lately Smith (Russell) would've had the cojones to wave the red for cheapshots like those.

They would have let the teams have a bit of biff but wouldn't stand for cowardly acts like we saw last night.

I know we won the game but i am pretty pee'd of that our big lads never gave any fight back.

Peacock, Morley, Westwood, Carvell are the guys who should have busted a few Kiwis in response. I know we did the right thing and kept to the game plan and therefore won the moral victory, but Luke and Smith should have been made to bleed for $hit housing.

In times gone by we would have downed tools and let the opposition team know that it wont be tolerated, GB/Eng have very rarely been out muscled in a scuffle. With the game won it should have been open season on a Kiwis head.

Also i dont know who Benji was trying to kid with this "hard man" act he was into last night. Comical from a complete wuss.

If it was in the final & a different era, maybe tuggles but there's a game to win next week and we have a pack that's creaking with injuries at the moment.

If we lost anyone to a ban, any chances we have for next week would be going down the pan quicker than last nights curry.

IMO, the team were 100% right not to strike back (would have loved it if they did crack a few heads and got away with it though)!!!

To those who have said this is the dirtiest NZ team they've seen, I said the same during the game and agree 100%.

Luke is a disgrace and Smith not far behind.

As for Marshall ... World Class

I agree, it was absolutely the right way to play and we need all the troops for next week. Part of me was thinking that perhaps Peacock knows he might fail a fitness test next week, so why not just banjo someone

Sad to see the Kiwis lose their way. For last couple few years they looked like being the best team in the world for some years to come, this year they have been terrible. Maybe time for Kearney to move on, the bags under his eyes looks like the pressure is getting to him!

true, if you think back to moz's red in the first 30 seconds against the aussies a few years back, how the fck were the kiwis still with 13 men at half time?

Should change his surname to Hunt !!

Kiwis seemed to have no gameplan other than try to injure players; great discipline from England in response. I'd much rather us face Benji Marshall trying to start a fight than him trying to play RL.

Issac Luke might struggle to finish his career with vision in both eyes and two testicles if he doesn't sort himself out quickly. Sounds like he made up with Rangi (his cousin) after the game, though.

I've never seen a Wigan player do that. Have you?

I thought the on-report system was there when a ref didn't clearly see an incident; not the case on the Tomkins jaw-smash or the Chase knee-twist. He clearly saw both (you can tell by what he said to the player when awarding the penalty) and if you know there's an intent to injure, it HAS to be a card surely.

if you go on that big website with all the videos and type in isacc luke the grub you can read the aussie's opinion on it and they aren't happy with him either.

It was a seriously nasty tackle, dirty get, hope he gets a big ban for that one. NZ generally played really dirty - forearm to Tomkins, tackle on Chase, the tackle on Reed and I'm sure Adam Blair purposefully stood on Morleys hand towards the end of the game. Thought NZ were better then that.

Because despite the flaws that Ganson may have, he isn't frightened of making a big call like that.


It's disappointing that these players resort to tactics like this because they're clearly talented.


Glad that the English guys kept their cool. As entertaining as a bit of biff would've been, it would've been indisciplined of them to risk suspension.

The 'incidents' between Chase and Marshall were quite obviously nothing, it was clear when watching the game live and the way they were looking at each other after any 'dust ups' that they were playing with each other - trying to get one over on a mate as it were but never intending actually throwing any punches etc.
However, Smith's elbow to the jaw of a grounded player was nasty. And Luke's 'twist' on Chase's knee is in another league, there is an intent there to seriously injure the player.