You are deluded!

When Chase stupidly kicked for touch, the Aussies gained the ball (tackle 1) on OUR 30m line.

Loose carry??? Do you really, and I mean really, believe that??

I believe Chase was poor, not because he is a Cas player, or because he is a New Zealander, I believe he was poor...because he was POOR.

He was England's worst player, who forced other England players into errors through his own stupidity and selfishness. With the kick, the strip and the attempted interception he cost us 3 trys.

I thought he went well against Wales, but totally lost the plot on Saturday. He can't do his one-legged skip past decent players.

You racist bigot; you are Jim Davidson and I claim my five pounds.

Which is why in the first 20 minutes he was ripping the Aussies to bits, right?

The only reason the backs struggled is Ellis, Peacock & Graham getting injured - you cannot beat the Aussies with a pack that involves Wilkin & Jones-Buchanan.

You're the deluded one if you think:
A. Chase was the worst player on the pitch
B. He did nothing in the entire game
C. It was his fault other players made mistakes

Kirk Yeaman was easily the worst player on the pitch, he looked totally lost and out of his depth.

Now don't bother replying, you're back on the ignore list because your stupidity is mind numbing,



You're the worst of the lot!

Ripping it up???!!!

Chase didn't make a single line break! He didn't put a player through a gap! He didn't do the job a half back!

He DID gift the Aussies possession at least twice, directly leading to trys. He DID stupidly jump out of the line looking for an interception (a cynic would say getting out of the way to avoid tackling).

To help you further...Wilkin is poor, JJB went ok (especially having had to play way more minutes than planned due to the injuries), Sinfield will never, ever be an international SO and Yeaman has always been overrated.

Westwood was one of the players to miss Gallen but guess who the other one was? (conveniently omitted from your post)

I can forgive Westwood to a degree because he had made around 34 other effective tackles by that time, t'other fella probably hadn't made one!

Briscoe failed to catch one bomb but caught everything else on the full and looked solid under the high ball after his one initial mistake.

Watch the tap 20/ kick for touch again, not one, none of the England players knew he was going for that kick. None of them chased it and Australia fielded the ball and ran it straight back into England's 30meter zone.

Stupid strip by chase to give away that penalty, no different to that of Dale Morton in the extra time CC game which gifted Cas the win, except Mortons a kid and can be forgiven while Chase is MoS and an international therefore it's unforgivable and dumb.

Other incidents like stepping back infield when a simple pass outside would have given us a 3 on 1 situation.

The point about other players is fairly mute though as they really are England lads whilst we've hammered a square peg into a round hole with Chase, least we could expect is that he's worth the trouble but he's not, in fact he's not even close. Put zmcGuire in at 7 for the rest of the tournament and chalk the Chase choice down to a bad experience.

So it's back to the bigoted attitudes then?

I'm done with this thread now, it just shows the narrow minded idiocy of the bigots on here, I bet half of you vote BNP too.

British jobs for British people eh?

if sinfield had of kicked all his goals and briscoes try been correctly give.......its 6 POINT GAME

Biggoted!






Wake up fella, Chase is laughing his nuts off at being allowed to play for England on a flimsy 3 year residency rule. Hes no more English than I am American and I've spent more time there than he as here.

Think you got it spot on mate.I saw the same game as you.I actually thought chase started the game well but drifted in and out the game due to the whack on the head.Sinfield isnt international standard im afraid , and ive also got to question Mcnamaras decision to play John Wilkin.I really dont know what this guy offers.We suffered losing Peacock,Graham,Ellis and if you think were missing Burgess too its near enough our 1st choice pack on the side lines .Id definately start with Widdop and chase at halfbacks

Got that right. He is way too predictable and shouldn't be in the halves!

As for Westwood, he was average at best, gave away two silly penalties that the ref got right on both calls.

That's an absolute gem of a post, for all the wrong reasons.

We're not as good as Australia. However, if we can a couple of things, we'd be able to really give them a game.

Firstly, dumb mistakes - both high-risk solo plays such as Chase's kick, and those caused by general lack of awareness. Cut those out and we'd at least make Australia work harder for metres. I'd say a lot of the difference here is due to SL players being able to clock off for a few minutes every game. They aren't used to concentrating for the full 80 minutes.

Secondly, defence within our 20 m line. I wouldn't call it amateurish, but a failure to read and adapt to very high quality passing and running - generally caused by inexperience. England desperately need to shore up this aspect of our defence, and ought to look at how Australia themselves defend close to the line. We seem to make the cardinal mistake of standing back and watching things unfold, giving Lockyer and Thurston ages to make decisions, and also able to make killer passes without a hand laid on them.

The difference between England this year and previously is that whilst our defence is still a problem, we actually look like we have points in us as well. We won't beat Australia without improving defence, but our attack looks more promising, and we have at least 4 outside backs who look pretty good.

Anyway, personally I'd move Sinfield to 13 and put Widdopp on from the start.

I don't understand why so much negativity is being directed to the Chase kick to touch while clearly not working out it definately wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Heighington miss on Williams for the same try.

I would encourage England to try the same tactic again, the optional kick for touch really can change the momentum of a game and even though it didn't work as planned on Saturday it often does and when it doesn't the opposition still have 65+ metres to go.

I'm not saying that they should do this all of the time but new things have to be tried, just knocking out the sets doesn't work we need invention and guile to beat the Australians I'm sure thats why Chase has been and will continue to be selected.

John Wilkin?

The trouble with Chase's kick is that, like any showboat move, you can only get away with trying it if it works. You can try it, but you better not screw it. Failure is not an option. Do not attempt unless you are certain.

I agree if you're on the back foot it's an option. But we wern't, Lockyer had kicked the ball dead to slow us down and get re organised. Then Chase gave them the ball, they scored, then in the second half he passed them the ball in their 25 and they scored.

I honestly think that Leeds on a good day would make a better fist of beating Australia than England. Wire, Sts and Wigan fans may feel the same about their teams. This suggests to me that the players cannot adapt easily to playing alongside players with whom they're unfamiliar - and the less orthodox the player, the greater the difficulties facing their team-mates. This is why Chase at 7 cannot work for me. Nothing to do with him being a New Zealander.

sorry but this england team have gelled and played better together than just about any GB/ENG side in the last 10 years

To be fair, had Boyd needed to bust a gut and pull out a good piece of play to keep it infield I wouldn't have been half as critical.

It's the fact he was way off in terms of both weight and angle of the kick that made it even more infuriating.

Good to see the "Sinfield isn't an international half-back" crowd out in full force again. Have a look at how many of England's tries in this tournament he's had the final or penultimate pass in, and compare that to his supposedly more creative half back partner.

If Rob Burrow had put in three performances like Chase has he'd have been pilloried on here, and rightly so. Chase, while a fine big fish in a small pond, simply doesn't have it in him to step up at this level.

As many or more tries have been from a chase pass or penultimate pass as from sinfield, when sinfield has thrown the final pass its often been from after chase has given him the ball, ie on halls first try, tompkins last week, the briscoe 'no try' (technically not a try but should have been )
I think the reason why people are dissapointed with sinfield is that while he hasnt been poor he doesnt seem to have played as well as we know he can at club level. For me the 2 players should be swapped round, sinfield controlling at 7 and chase playing his natural game at 6.

Rubbish. We've beaten Australia in the past 10 years. We were soundly beaten at the weekend and haven't won any meaningful matches. If that's the best we've done in the past 10 years it's a sorry state.

That's the nub of it I'm afraid - he doesn't appear to be able to live with the intensity of a proper international.

Chase has both more assists and Sinfield's assists have come from a Chase pass bar one which came from a Tomkins pass.



In your opinion, where as current internationals have come out and said he's been playing well, and in the first 20 against the Aussies he was pretty much untouchable.

Just listen to what Fien had to say about his game against the Aussies, some nomark fans who know nothing about the game spouting crap means nothing compared to fellow professionals praising him.

Oh and if you're basing that he isn't good enough for international rugby after 3 games (1 MOTM, 6 assists) then surely every player in the team apart from Tomkins (the only player I can't recall making a mistake) isn't good enough either?

I thought Chase got caught in possesion too much and that kick was poorly judged. You need to build pressure in internationals. Chase should come off the bench at this level to provide impact imo. Start Widdop at 6 and Sinny at 7. Chase can provide spark and big play capability better off the bench at this level.

But that leaves the problem of Sinfield not being good enough, the best half back combination England have used so far was against Wales when they had Widdop & Chase as the half backs and Sinfield was at hooker.