Who's your top 5?

I'm actually baffled....I've read this thread and actually agree with Phipps on his two posts...think I need to check into a hospital or something!!

Peacock on present form shouldn't be near the England team, I'd have him as a squad player to pass of experience and offer advice at present...but no way would I play him in his current form. I'd review that opinion if he improves drastically over the remainer for the season...at the way Leeds are going, they might not even be in the play offs! Jokes (before I get any Rhinos fans flustered with a comment like that!)

Crabtree should terrorise teams...he has the same physical attributes as Petro Civenoseva (massive spelling error probably I know - just can't be ar8ed to google the correct spelling). Yet I've watched Crabtree this year and have struggled to see how he is getting bullied in each tackle. Against Warrington (who admittedly have a rather fierce defence) he made no metres from the point of impact to him being put in his back. Not really feeling him for England in the 4n's either.

My pick (and see how this thread has gone off topic already) would be Sam Burgess (if he can't recover and get some game time), Carvell (absolutely the form Prop in SL right now), Graham (even though I still think he has more to offer than he is showing this season - which is a big statement considering as he is still playing very well - moving to the NRL will improve him greatly).....then I guess it would be a pick of a bunch. There lays the problem, we go on about how we have the advantage in the pack against the Aussies...but we never actually do. Their front row over the last couple of years has matched and in fact beaten ours. Players like Scott, Hannant and Petro would walk into our team...easily.

We need bigger props that attract 3 defenders and yet still drive us 5 more metres forward...until we open our eyes and accept that we don't have a better pack than the other nations and actually do something as a nation to sort it out, we'll lose.

Peacock will get picked for England...not because he deserves it...but because our World class options are so thin he is one of the best we really have - even in this form!

Exactly.. he looks done, dusted. Give him a bit more time before calling his career ut he shouldnt be anywhere near an England jersey in the winter

This season?

Graham
Mossop
Carvell
Morley
Peacock

He's still shone when iv seen him in a poor Leeds side, and suffering with injury.

you're insane.

Even if he's slightly over the hill, I'd still take have him in the squad for the internationals at the end of the season - purely for his terrific leadership qualities and the experience he can pass on to the younger players in the squad.

Interesting. From a saints POV, I'd suggest Puletua has had a better season so far than Peacock, I've also heard big things coming from Hull about O'Meley.
Its only a case of opinions, but I don't feel like I've seen alot of/from Peacock this year.

Given over, that's ridiculous.

he's still to get back to proper match fitness. Don't know how anyone can call Peacock, he's been 100% for both Bradford and Leeds and he pasted Mason. Just wish Wigan could have signed him alongside Fielden. Now though, we've got Mossop, who is going to be imho, an all time great.

I have to say, I am trying to see what everybody else does in Mossop, I would love another English prop on the scene that can mix it at international level but I haven’t seen anything so far that says he will be a great. In fact, every time I have seen Wigan this year, Coley has been the best Warriors prop

As for Peacock, his form is poor at the moment and he was dominated at the weekend which is very unlike Peacock. I am not ruling him out of returning back to his past form as he has been superb for Bradford, Leeds and England/GB over the years

Come the 4 Nations, I hope one of two things happens, either Peacock is fit and firing or McNamara has the guts to drop him – the worst thing of course would be to see peacock selected and play poorly – as well as being bad news for England it would be a terrible shame for Peacock to lose a well earned international reputation

yu would be wrong over carvell, he was very very good in 09 when he signed, him and morley were influential in sending us to the CC final, he was a bit ropey last year after breaking his ankle but he's been an absolute machine this year, before and after him getting his new contract.

Mossop doesn't do anything flash, but does most things very well. He doesn't have the phyiscal presence of Coley, yet makes more metres and has a phenomenal leg drive.

Also gets through a shed load of work in defence which people often overlook - 539 tackles made, and only 17 missed.

One of the best things about the season for me thus far has been Mossop's consitently good performances, considering this is his first year as a Prop, I'm mightily impressed with him.

Mossop has been our best prop by a distance and would get in my England 17. He's a big lad that's only going to get bigger and he has a fantastic workrate. He never gets dominated in the tackle and his defence is exceptional.

He's very young for a prop but in time he could be very very good.

Paul Wood has easily been in the top 5 props in superleague this season.... probably warringtons best.

2169 meters from 307 carries
528 tackles
36 offloads

to put people like peacock in above him is bordering on the ridiculous.

I don't see him every week, and to be fair, up until this year, we always used to beat you, so that would have been a couple of the performances I'd seen him in.
When he signed for Hull I wondered if you would get the best out of him as a lot of people said he was too injury prone.
As I said, I was very impressed with him on Friday. Such a big man to drag down.

Missing tackles and dropping the ball were always Wood's downfall, how is he on those?

And Peacock has come up with 2 kicks in general play, you can't underestimate the impact of a forward with a kicking game.

21 missed tackles
17 errors

1 a game(ish)? Not awful, not great. Plays his part for Wire well though, does woody.

he has obviously been told to go out and play in an expansive way.... and yes it creates handling errors and missed tackles... but the majority of these have been when were 30/40 points up and throwing it around....

There have been plenty of times when he has started a try scoring moved by offloading under 4 or 5 tacklers... or he has broke through a tackle to offload and put someone clean through.

Understatement of the year.

Thats like saying Rupert Murdoch is not very popular right now.

He's still one of the best on his day, but even that is a million miles away from the rampaging prop that battered defences apart 3/4 years ago. He should hang up his Rep boots and concentrate on giving his best for Leeds.

Have you ever considered a career writing fiction novels?

Can't say I have.

He was a class act in his day but for me he has past it now.

There are better props in our game now and as a few have previously mentioned Mossop is a very good player who will shine for England in the near future.

I'd like the throw Larne Patrick into the mix, very quick for a prop, has good feet and will run at/through anything! Definately one for the future!