The ground work has being cleared for the east stand extension and the funds are in place. All we need to do is get the planning permission sorted. Disability spaces is the stickler.

The North stand will start being built before the end of this season with the current North stand moving to the south.

Quote ="Odemwingie"Look how many teams we now have in quality stadiums or making real strides to get into a quality rugby league arena. We didn't have this before super league. Now super league has become a franchise the clubs are under pressure to perform in this area. Wigan Hull Huddersfield Quins Warrington Widnes We have 6 teams in quality stadiums already out of the teams who will be in super league next season. 3 of those stadiums are facilities fit for top flight football. Saints and Salford are both currently building new grounds and both will be read for next season! See here.... they both look brilliant. www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/new-st ... m-the-site www.saintsrlfc.com/news/974 The we have Catalans who have just built a brand new stand at one end soon to be extended to the rest of the stadium...... www.mairie-perpignan.fr/sites/de ... stoire.pdf pdf document. Warrington have announced plans to extend their current stadium at the end of this year up to 15,000 which is needed extra capacity. Leeds have also announced plans to renovate their current stadium with a brand new south stand and eventually a new North stand to fit the style of the carnegie stand. Hull KR have recently extended their east stand and will finish the other end before next season I think. They have also announced plans for a new north stand which will make craven park a stadium fit for super league. Wakefield have plans to develop Belle Vue up to the minimum requirements of super league. While this is not as impressive as the brand new stadiums, it will improve the experience for supporters. This looks much more realistic than plans for a brand new stadium and maybe the fake promises have finished from wakey? Castleford have major plans for a new stadium, I think funding is the only problem here. Crusaders are playing in a quality venue in Wrexham and IMO that is one of the best away days behind Catalans and the magic weekend. Bradfords stadium could still use some work but it does have over 5k covered seats and loads of corporate facilities so it is a huge improvement on pre super league venues. Finally outside super league both Leigh and Halifax are now playing in super league standard stadiums and will no doubt be prepared in this area if their time comes to be accepted into the top flight. In conclusion as a RL fan I rejoice in the development of the venues where our great game is played. Show me another sport in the world which has so many stadium developments going on in just one league. These new stadiums and extensions will see RL develop over the coming years and I can't wait for them all to finish. I am sick of all the doom and gloom about how franchising is not working etc. well franchising has had a big part to play in some of these developments. Its fantastic to see in our sport, you don't see so many stadium developments going on in RU. Hopefully this will make our sport sustainable for years to come and we will see crowds fly up as a result.'" Wakefield are still heading for a new stadium as well

Quote ="Odemwingie"Look how many teams we now have in quality stadiums or making real strides to get into a quality rugby league arena. We didn't have this before super league. Now super league has become a franchise the clubs are under pressure to perform in this area. Wigan Hull Huddersfield Quins Warrington Widnes We have 6 teams in quality stadiums already out of the teams who will be in super league next season. 3 of those stadiums are facilities fit for top flight football. Saints and Salford are both currently building new grounds and both will be read for next season! See here.... they both look brilliant. www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/new-st ... m-the-site www.saintsrlfc.com/news/974 The we have Catalans who have just built a brand new stand at one end soon to be extended to the rest of the stadium...... www.mairie-perpignan.fr/sites/de ... stoire.pdf pdf document. Warrington have announced plans to extend their current stadium at the end of this year up to 15,000 which is needed extra capacity. Leeds have also announced plans to renovate their current stadium with a brand new south stand and eventually a new North stand to fit the style of the carnegie stand. Hull KR have recently extended their east stand and will finish the other end before next season I think. They have also announced plans for a new north stand which will make craven park a stadium fit for super league. Wakefield have plans to develop Belle Vue up to the minimum requirements of super league. While this is not as impressive as the brand new stadiums, it will improve the experience for supporters. This looks much more realistic than plans for a brand new stadium and maybe the fake promises have finished from wakey? Castleford have major plans for a new stadium, I think funding is the only problem here. Crusaders are playing in a quality venue in Wrexham and IMO that is one of the best away days behind Catalans and the magic weekend. Bradfords stadium could still use some work but it does have over 5k covered seats and loads of corporate facilities so it is a huge improvement on pre super league venues. Finally outside super league both Leigh and Halifax are now playing in super league standard stadiums and will no doubt be prepared in this area if their time comes to be accepted into the top flight. In conclusion as a RL fan I rejoice in the development of the venues where our great game is played. Show me another sport in the world which has so many stadium developments going on in just one league. These new stadiums and extensions will see RL develop over the coming years and I can't wait for them all to finish. I am sick of all the doom and gloom about how franchising is not working etc. well franchising has had a big part to play in some of these developments. Its fantastic to see in our sport, you don't see so many stadium developments going on in RU. Hopefully this will make our sport sustainable for years to come and we will see crowds fly up as a result.'" Wakefield are still heading for a new stadium as well

Longest. Construction build. Ever.

Good stadia existed before franchising, plans to improve stadia existed before franchising, a minimum standard of stadium in order to be promoted existed before franchising - but yeah hurrah for franchising and the great stadiums it has produced

Since you evidently know nothing about who owns or operates what bits of Headingley, as bramleyrhino notes, your opinions on this matter count for very little. There is only one sports team based there which justify and routinely sell out the corporate facilities and they don't play cricket or RU.

nice thread

looking at the work going on at salford and saitns cant help but get excited

the saints ground espeically looks something special

average crowds will rise, clubs will get more corporate revenus allowing clubs a more sustainable business

odsal will be the worst ground in SL but their average crowds makes it irrelevant

think cas wil deliver on theirs as well

Here's the problem: Stadiums are only part of the reason for attendance growth. Far more grassroots stuff needs to take place in English RL before these new facilities can be used to their full potential. That's not to say that they aren't welcome, but they shouldn't be used a sign of "flying crowds" to come. Again, crowds are the result of grassroots work, not new stadiums.

To answer your question: Poland will in 2011 complete a total of 19 new stadium/redevelopment projects.

As someone who ardently follows stadium development, I can assure you that at this point, of the 93 projects currently under construction of stadiums over 30,000 and arenas over 10,000, 72 are for football, 11 for basketball, 2 for baseball, 2 for gridiron, 3 for Union and 3 for cricket. So that doesn't even include the plethora of stadiums which are under 30,000 (where the SL stadiums would be a part of).

Don't mean to be a downer, but you asked the question. As I said, stadium sell outs in new facilities will follow good work done at grassroots level. All of it will be for nothing if more people aren't playing/being introduce to the game.

All this rhubarb about if you build a new stadium they will come.

I'll SIMPLIFY IT!!!!!! for those who failed thinking at the 1st fence.

If you have a WINNING team they may come, if you don't you will only get a few diehards.

Not that there is much evidence to prove such thing.

Look at the lock outs at the Keepmoat for example and LSV, and as for the halton stadium, be there Widnes or Saints playing the congestion and gridlock on the roads and the clamouring to get into the stadium are all evidence that the theory works!!!

Yep.

Once again a brand new shiny stadium guarantees a massive attendance. It has nothing to do with what happens on the field

The fact the southstand is being rebuilt has more to do with franchising than it does H&S.

In fact it highlights the benefits as well as is possible really.

The southstand could be continually used as it is, but it would take extensive, regular, and expensive remedial work to keep it at a reduced capacity. Had there not been franchising it would have been very very difficult for Leeds to raise the £10m plus they need to rebuild the stand and it would have been much more likely they had an expensive problem in the southstand, rather than, what will be an asset.

The revised build cost for the amended version is about £5.5m. Leeds can cover most of this out of their existing and available cash reserves (£2.3m at the last set of accounts with £1.7m due back from a loan to Leeds RU to cover their operating losses (presumably Caddick will have to write a cheque for that one but it has been guaranteed.)) Leeds would have no trouble at all sourcing the balancing £1.5m or so either within the group or from third party funding.

Would they replace the SS if it wasn't being condemned? Definitely, but probably not right now and not when the planners are forcing them to accept the cut down version that is going to be built - although there is no indication that there will ever be an option to build anything bigger in the future. Retrospectively, they should have done the SS instead of the Carnegie when the planners were more amenable but that observation is with the benefit of massive hindsight.

As somebody quoted on the Leigh board last night , we have a ' concrete morgue ' for a stadium

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That is a joke, moving the temporary stand. It should be scrapped. When Rovers got promoted to Super League, that was only supposed to be in place for a couple of years. How the RFL can give a franchise to a club with a permanent temporary stand is laughable

That is not a normal situation in Poland though, that is especially for Euro 2012 so they have gained extra funding which wouldn't normally be available. This is all from the clubs and councils. A slightly different situation.

Please explain why you think that whilst not making the same suggestion of Wakefield! I am fairly confident that BOTH will achieve what they are chasing - despite the relative situations, however both still have challenges ahead!

It will be a while before both are in brand new stadiums unless the join up IMO.

No, not really. Since they're being shared with Ukraine, there are only 4 Euro stadiums in Poland. That leaves 15 stadiums being constructed/redeveloped by councils. Either way you look at it, it trumps SL by some margin.

Would you prefer to watch the game from the existing South stand then?

Incidentally how many of these clubs own the grounds.
A rugby clubs only real asset is it's home, and sadly many have cashed in to become tenants.
I'm not saying that's wrong, perhaps in modern RL there is no need to own your home, but I do think it's a little sad.

It's not sad , it's potentially disastrous , you cannot run a pro,semi pro RL team on one revenue stream ( fans through the turnstiles ) , so any club not owning/running their own stadium has real problems , I include the likes of Huddersfield , Hull , Salford , Widnes in this as well as the Championship clubs

I would suggest this is the reason Cas are so against sharing a council stadium and are doing all they can to actually fund and build their own , as that is the only way they will ever be in position to challenge the big teams

Salfords stadium is being built with footings in place for another 2 phases of building. Both phases will have an affect on the 3 smaller stands and corners if/when attendances improve. Once the club can show a need for increasing the capacity the next phase will be built. Phase 3 will take the ground to a 20-22,000 capacity.

If you go onto the turkey there are photo's available of the different phases

It is great that new stadia are being built & that may encourage a renewed interest at some clubs & us fans get a bit more comfort. But will it actualy improve the game or its finances? As by chance I am watching Manly playing the Cowboys from Brookvale oval it is pouring with rain A large number of the crowd are in the open & stood on a grass bank down the far touch line, The league we all seem to be trying to emulate dont seem to think that grounds are the most important thing in selling the game & that ground makes Bell view look palatial. Also how many fans on here actualy would prefer to stand but cant as they are in all seater stadiums. I am lucky that HKR are developing slowly & we have the East stand to watch from & as far as I know the new North stand will be seated but the planed east stand extension & eventualy the south stand (after the tempory stand is replaced) will be standing, I am happy with that.

That is just simply not true - from either clubs perspectives.

One is awaiting the outcome of a PI to be heard in December, with results due next spring, subject to that the stadium WILL proceed as the first phase of a significant business development.

One is awaiting outline planning for a retail development which would unlock the funding to allow the development to proceed on a site already granted PP for the stadium.

There are different challenges and varying timescales involved, but neither are inter-related and both can stand alone on their own merits - with, importantly, the support of their customers, i.e. us!

Out of these "new" stadiums how many are or will be soley owned independantly by the rugby league club concerned and can financially considered as a club asset.

Cas.

Correct, apart from the multiple charges on it, cas do own WR.