in which case all clubs in SL will never, ever be relegated. There is no club outside SL. Not even Widnes, in a better position that those in SL, Simply by definition of them being in a higher league, thats why it is idiotic.

No, you are wrong. Crusaders became Crusaders when the moved. 2 guises. Stop making things up

And it has sod all to do with Crusaders or any other club. You arent comparing Wakefield to either Hull or Hudds, you are comparing them to Crusaders, a club you had a 7 year head start on.

no, you have pretty much hit the clean sweep of simply being factually wrong. Check your facts and stop making things up.

So lets remove someone who's stronger then , it all makes sense now and is the only way forward.

How about we remove them the old way, relegation, instead of protecting certain clubs and doing it behind behind closed doors.

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Paybacks a bitch innit?

Strangely I do find that quite amusing , but it wasn't actually Wakey fans who had that banner , it was us Leythers at Belle Vue

Wasted a bedsheet and spray can.

Mickey Higham wasn't too impressed when we all called out to him as he was being rested and we called him over and then showed him the banner , ditto Brian Noble

, there are some Leigh fans here supporting W1g4n , oh no there wasn't



It was a cracking night

We had the same banner at Wembley that year near the pub outside

What, you mean winning rugby games and not getting relegated wasn't enough That would be a novel idea.

Come on slugger , stop being silly now

Why should expansion trump everything?

If that's the case why don't we kick out Saints, Wigan, Hull, Leeds and Wire (the 5 biggest in SL) for Glasgow, Newcastle, Milan, Dublin and Birmingham, ffs.



Hey steal 10,000 fans from one of the football clubs down the road and you might have a chance.

Stronger than who? Stronger now or in the future?


the P+R experiment proved to be terrible for clubs both at the top of the lower division and those at the bottom of the top.

Well I'm not signing it, Wakefield bring nothing to the table and whilst I feel sorry for their fans the Superleague cannot grow and develop by keeping teams like those in.

so then we get rid of the salary cap and quota's and just let the clubs fight it out. See how long Wakefield last then.

It would be hypocritical to restrict clubs for the purposes of competitiveness when you are complaining that everything isnt settled by competition.

The new Owners at Wakefield have announced on numerous occasions that they are now capable and willing to spend the full salary cap so how does your imaginary scenario damage Wakefield's chances of competing on the pitch?

I always find it interesting to hear this type of view from supporters of a club who's original stadium was no better than Belle Vue and which was only replaced due to the good grace of their local council. I've said it before and I'll say it again when Wakefield Trinity move into Newmarket I only hope that the fans will act with a little bit more humility than some fans of other clubs.

Isn't that only based on an average of 10,000 crowds, though. I'm sure I read somewhere a few months back Glover or Elston saying that for every 1000 on the crowd they can spend X amount of the cap.

For how long would they be prepared be to sustain hundreds of thousands if not millions of pounds of losses per year?

Only because they failed to implement a business plan robust enough to sustain super league status or to survive relegation!

As you're so eager not to blame Crusaders for Wakefield's failings so then, why is it Wakefield Trinity's fault that relegated clubs of the past failed to prepare properly?

, and they have to overcome the expansionist prejudice which will keep in Crusaders and Quins.

because the salary cap no longer exists, and the 500k or whatever Mr Glover needs to put in to match the bigger clubs becomes much much more when they try to compete in an open market with the Likes of Leeds, Wigan, Hull and Saints and the sugar daddies of Mr Davy and Mr Moran.

Because the difference is too big between Semi-pro and pro RL.

it isnt, you would have to be particularly stupid to believe anything i have said could possibly lead you to the conclusion I believe Wakefield should be relegated simply because we dont have P+R or because other clubs failed to prepare for relegation. Wakefields survival or relegation is dependant solely on Wakefield.

That was only a calculation that James Elston made in response to a question about how big our attendance will need to be for the club to financially wash its face while spending the full salary cap!

The ability to spend the full salary gap is there right now and should we maintain a super league status we will have the ability to spend the full salary cap irrespective of the attendances.

But that would go completely against what AG said he wanted Wakefield to be, according to those that went to the evening with event, which was a self-sufficient club.

Also, with the RFL looking at 10k attendances, I think the RFL will want to move away from sugar-daddy owners to try and get clubs to grow fanbases and their businesses.

The gap between semipro and pro rugby league is and always has been there for people to see and plan for well in advance of any promotion push for relegation battle. Only clubs foolish enough to gamble their whole existence on achieving or maintaining super league status would find themselves staring down the barrel of extinction due to not being promoted or relegation.

You would have to be particularly stupid not to see the comparisons between your foolish statements and some of the Rugby football league's motivations for removing promotion and relegation, motivations which have partially led to the introductions of franchising which now places Wakefield in jeopardy. Pull the blinkers on if you wish but you only reveal yourself as a hypocrite

It's nothing to do with stadiums or even crowds, both of these things are largely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. The only way the competition and the sport is going to grow is with more exposure from the media, and most of media outlets in this country are not going to be bothered about a competition based solely along the M62. Therefore I would never support a team like Wakefield from getting in ahead of an expansion club. Why do you think Sky insist on a London club? It's because they know their viewing figures would take a hit without any intrest in the capital. Bums on seats isn't at all important compared to viewing figures and television rights.

I know the club has alot of history and I do have sympathy with the fans but we are not going to move forward by looking at the past. Fwiw aside from the crowds a team like Harlequins beats Wakefield hands down in every department (and Wakefields attendences are nothing to write home about anyway).