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5 of the 10 top rating Pay TV sports shows are MNF. What the NRL need to do is be bending Foxtel over a table and be giving them a right good roger when the next TV deal is negotiated. For the top selling show on their channels they should be paying the top price. They are allegedly about to pay $80mill a year for all 9 live AFL games (most simucast with FTA). They should be paying at least that for 4 or 5 exclusive live NRL games plus replays of the other games.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"5 of the 10 top rating Pay TV sports shows are MNF. What the NRL need to do is be bending Foxtel over a table and be giving them a right good roger when the next TV deal is negotiated. For the top selling show on their channels they should be paying the top price. They are allegedly about to pay $80mill a year for all 9 live AFL games (most simucast with FTA). They should be paying at least that for 4 or 5 exclusive live NRL games plus replays of the other games.'"
yep exactly true
probably should be paying more tbh
hopefully 7 or 10 push for monday night football hard and make fox pay market value
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Could be brilliant news for the NRL. With Ch10 and Ch9 bidding against each other we could see some serious $'s coming our way!
www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6043830115
Seems like Fox is going all out for AFL to boost its subscriptions in AFL states. Of course that could leave them wide open to losing their monopoly on NRL and see massive subscription losses in NSW and Q'land if FTA picks up majority of games and shows them nationally. Given the size of the viewing audience on Fox for NRL a very risky gamble it seems. |
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Quote ="JB Down Under"Could be brilliant news for the NRL. With Ch10 and Ch9 bidding against each other we could see some serious $'s coming our way!
www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6043830115
Seems like Fox is going all out for AFL to boost its subscriptions in AFL states. Of course that could leave them wide open to losing their monopoly on NRL and see massive subscription losses in NSW and Q'land if FTA picks up majority of games and shows them nationally. Given the size of the viewing audience on Fox for NRL a very risky gamble it seems.'"
10 to challenge nine for Friday and sunday games and origin
10 maybe also to bid for MNF
the big one is foxtel
they are paying AFL most of their increase despite poor ratings
whatever AFL gets from Foxtel, we should get 50% more
anything less and News LTd has done it again
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www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6043830115
Seems like Fox is going all out for AFL to boost its subscriptions in AFL states. Of course that could leave them wide open to losing their monopoly on NRL and see massive subscription losses in NSW and Q'land if FTA picks up majority of games and shows them nationally. Given the size of the viewing audience on Fox for NRL a very risky gamble it seems.'"
10 to challenge nine for Friday and sunday games and origin
10 maybe also to bid for MNF
the big one is foxtel
they are paying AFL most of their increase despite poor ratings
whatever AFL gets from Foxtel, we should get 50% more
anything less and News LTd has done it again
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I mentioned that on another thread RB, it has to go. 20,000 fans in two games has been lost to clubs for 80k.'" This may be a stupid question, but I remember Monday Night Football back in 1996 being awesome. They made into a massive special event with the SFS nearly full several weeks including that epic Roosters-Broncos game.
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| Quote ="MjM"This may be a stupid question, but I remember Monday Night Football back in 1996 being awesome. They made into a massive special event with the SFS nearly full several weeks including that epic Roosters-Broncos game.
So what went wrong?'"
some clubs are complaining about the slightly lower than average crowds
i think the figures are only 3000 less than a normal game
MNF isnt going anywhwere
clubs are jut whinging to get more money to cover lower crowds
MNF is the highest rating program pretty much every week for Foxtel
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Quote ="dally messenger"some clubs are complaining about the slightly lower than average crowds
i think the figures are only 3000 less than a normal game'"
Dally is misleading MJM this time. Let's examine the facts and not they way they've been painted by Dally.
Even if 3,000 was right. That can easily be 20% of an average home attendance. Not good!!!
Quote ="dally messenger"clubs are jut whinging to get more money to cover lower crowds'"
And so they bloody well should, they're losing money
Let's look at this article again quoting NRL CEOs
www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6025679565
The Rabbitohs chief executive, who is leading a groundswell of club complaints against Monday night football, has estimated the round six match against the Dragons will cost Souths $205,000 in potential earnings from ticket, corporate and merchandise sales.
[iIf Souths play 4 MNF games at home, they can lose over $1m p.a.[/i
And Bulldogs boss Todd Greenberg said his club had already lost as much as $300,000 in ticket sales by having the opening round game against the Tigers on a Monday night instead of Sunday afternoon.
[iBulldogs would lose even more! And that figure doesn't mention corporate or merchandise as the Rabbitohs one did[/i
400,000 viewers watch it according to forms of data collection they are known to be a massive average. However, taking that at face value. That doesn't help the clubs who are losing money hand over fist at the moment when they get told what day they have to play on. Until the new TV deal comes into effect then some of that money will hopefully go to compensate the clubs who are struggling at the mo with the Monday Deal. But that won't matter apparently cos 400,000 are sitting at home watching them! |
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i think the figures are only 3000 less than a normal game'"
Dally is misleading MJM this time. Let's examine the facts and not they way they've been painted by Dally.
Even if 3,000 was right. That can easily be 20% of an average home attendance. Not good!!!
Quote ="dally messenger"clubs are jut whinging to get more money to cover lower crowds'"
And so they bloody well should, they're losing money
Let's look at this article again quoting NRL CEOs
www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6025679565
The Rabbitohs chief executive, who is leading a groundswell of club complaints against Monday night football, has estimated the round six match against the Dragons will cost Souths $205,000 in potential earnings from ticket, corporate and merchandise sales.
[iIf Souths play 4 MNF games at home, they can lose over $1m p.a.[/i
And Bulldogs boss Todd Greenberg said his club had already lost as much as $300,000 in ticket sales by having the opening round game against the Tigers on a Monday night instead of Sunday afternoon.
[iBulldogs would lose even more! And that figure doesn't mention corporate or merchandise as the Rabbitohs one did[/i
400,000 viewers watch it according to forms of data collection they are known to be a massive average. However, taking that at face value. That doesn't help the clubs who are losing money hand over fist at the moment when they get told what day they have to play on. Until the new TV deal comes into effect then some of that money will hopefully go to compensate the clubs who are struggling at the mo with the Monday Deal. But that won't matter apparently cos 400,000 are sitting at home watching them! | |
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Quote ="Rooster Booster"400,000 viewers watch it according to forms of data collection they are known to be a massive average. However, taking that at face value. That doesn't help the clubs who are losing money hand over fist at the moment when they get told what day they have to play on. Until the new TV deal comes into effect then some of that money will hopefully go to compensate the clubs who are struggling at the mo with the Monday Deal. But that won't matter apparently cos 400,000 are sitting at home watching them!'"
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How can it be costing Souths ticket money when they are paid to play at the ground a set fee regardless of crowd size? Merchandise sales, really? Corporates I can understand though I would have thought it easier to get companies to have outings on a Monday night straight from work than on a Sunday afternoon.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"How can it be costing Souths ticket money when they are paid to play at the ground a set fee regardless of crowd size? Merchandise sales, really? Corporates I can understand though I would have thought it easier to get companies to have outings on a Monday night straight from work than on a Sunday afternoon.'"
richardson is talking BS and less knowledgeable posters have run with it
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Quote ="JB Down Under"How can it be costing Souths ticket money when they are paid to play at the ground a set fee regardless of crowd size? Merchandise sales, really? Corporates I can understand though I would have thought it easier to get companies to have outings on a Monday night straight from work than on a Sunday afternoon.'"
The clubs are given a lump sum to entice them to play there by the stadia, so the stadia can earn money. They still get a cut of gate receipts. Dally wouldn't know this as he only knows what is said about RL through news reports.
He mentions 3,000 as though it's nothing. Yet look at the cheapest ticket on offer for an adult for South's next game. $25. That's 75,000 just for people if they all went into the cheapest seats.
premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Sh ... sh=RAB1311
Is Todd Goldberg talking BS aswell?
As we said clubs are losing money they can't afford to at the moment when they are TOLD they are playing on a Monday. 400,000 people sitting at home on their arsés at home matters not a jot at the moment to them. If the new TV deal means they will get a few more quid to cover their loses on MFN, then fine, but in the meantime, they ARE losing money. Which is not good.
Oh and interesting to see Dally saying that NRL CEOs talk BS. Shame on you.
*** $75,000 is more than some of the first grade squad are getting at Souths. One game ($205k quoted) would pay for a few of these player's annual salaries. But that's not a problem. 400,000 watch it on telly. |
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The clubs are given a lump sum to entice them to play there by the stadia, so the stadia can earn money. They still get a cut of gate receipts. Dally wouldn't know this as he only knows what is said about RL through news reports.
He mentions 3,000 as though it's nothing. Yet look at the cheapest ticket on offer for an adult for South's next game. $25. That's 75,000 just for people if they all went into the cheapest seats.
premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Sh ... sh=RAB1311
Is Todd Goldberg talking BS aswell?
As we said clubs are losing money they can't afford to at the moment when they are TOLD they are playing on a Monday. 400,000 people sitting at home on their arsés at home matters not a jot at the moment to them. If the new TV deal means they will get a few more quid to cover their loses on MFN, then fine, but in the meantime, they ARE losing money. Which is not good.
Oh and interesting to see Dally saying that NRL CEOs talk BS. Shame on you.
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but as you just said they only get a "cut" of that $75k. Do you know how big a cut? I am guessing that the money Monday night Football is worth (and will be worth) is far greater in their NR grants than a cut of $75k.
ps Given we have seen two crowds on a sunny Sunday afternoon that are very low it seems that time or day matters little in actual attendance and opposition and own teams form matter far greater. Anybody got stats on the actual crowd difference for Monday night games compared to corresponding fixtures played on another day?
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no MNF watch the value of TV rights fall
only a fool would really believe richardson is genuine
he is just pushing for more money from the nrl for games
this is where actual knowledge of RL in australia helps
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| Quote ="dally messenger"no MNF watch the value of TV rights fall
only a fool would really believe richardson is genuine
he is just pushing for more money from the nrl for games
this is where actual knowledge of RL in australia helps'"
And Goldberg too?
You have said NRL CEOs talk bullshıt. That's not very pro RL is it?
Actual knowledge of RL in Oz means people know that people at NRL really don't like playing on a Monday. You on the otherhand, sit in front of the telly and pontificate and suggest people are fools.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"but as you just said they only get a "cut" of that $75k. Do you know how big a cut? I am guessing that the money Monday night Football is worth (and will be worth) is far greater in their NR grants than a cut of $75k.
ps Given we have seen two crowds on a sunny Sunday afternoon that are very low it seems that time or day matters little in actual attendance and opposition and own teams form matter far greater. Anybody got stats on the actual crowd difference for Monday night games compared to corresponding fixtures played on another day?'"
Don't take 75k literally. That's based on Dally's imaginary 3,000 and hose people paying $25 each.
I said the stadia get a cut of the overall ticketing and obviously other monies re: refreshments etc.
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with channel 10 to bid for monday night football the value of these games will go through the roof
its a great time for TV and always gets fantastic ratings
more exposure on Free to air tv will see ratings for these games double or tripple
fox will be paying a lot more to keep these games
i hope 10 gets them myself
the additional exposure will be fantastic
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| Quote ="dally messenger"with channel 10 to bid for monday night football the value of these games will go through the roof
its a great time for TV and always gets fantastic ratings
more exposure on Free to air tv will see ratings for these games double or tripple
fox will be paying a lot more to keep these games
i hope 10 gets them myself
the additional exposure will be fantastic'"
I don't disagree with you nor dispute that Dally. I'm concerned for the current state of clubs and their finances. Teams dread MNF. Even taking that into the future, MNF will always be dreaded as it is a lesser income to them even in a future comp with more money and compo for it. You can't but help understand their greed surely? |
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Ok just had a look at Sth's and Dogs Monday nights. Last season Sth's only played two Monday games. One they got 30,100 against Dogs so clearly no problem there. Second game was against NQ and got 9,700. Corresponding fixture in previous seasons (2008 Sunday afternoon 9,800, 2007 Sunday afternoon 10,000) no difference.
Bulldogs only played one Monday night game in 2010
Bulldogs v Penrith Monday 13,800 (2009 Friday night 14,000, 2008 Saturday 10,200) no difference
So there you go for all Richardsons and Goldbergs whinging A) they very rarley play Monday night (once a season) and B) the crowds are not effected against corresponding fixtures from previous seasons on other days.
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Bulldogs only played one Monday night game in 2010
Bulldogs v Penrith Monday 13,800 (2009 Friday night 14,000, 2008 Saturday 10,200) no difference
So there you go for all Richardsons and Goldbergs whinging A) they very rarley play Monday night (once a season) and B) the crowds are not effected against corresponding fixtures from previous seasons on other days.'"
yeah the telegraph article never compared like fixtures against one another
they took the average of friday night crowds, sat night crowds, sun crowds and monday crowds
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Ok just had a look at Sth's and Dogs Monday nights. Last season Sth's only played two Monday games. One they got 30,100 against Dogs so clearly no problem there. Second game was against NQ and got 9,700. Corresponding fixture in previous seasons (2008 Sunday afternoon 9,800, 2007 Sunday afternoon 10,000) no difference.
Bulldogs only played one Monday night game in 2010
Bulldogs v Penrith Monday 13,800 (2009 Friday night 14,000, 2008 Saturday 10,200) no difference
So there you go for all Richardsons and Goldbergs whinging A) they very rarley play Monday night (once a season) and B) the crowds are not effected against corresponding fixtures from previous seasons on other days.'"
I understand your point JB. But they still lose money, that's their main concern. As would every club that plays on a Monday. No club likes playing on a Monday. What more can I add? |
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Hang on, no they don't! I've just shown that the two clubs complaining only played one or two games on a Monday and the crowds were no different than if they had played those teams on a different day so how do they lose money? The FACTS show that they are not losing money on attendances. Corporates? Maybe but I wouldn;t have thought it would be too hard to get companies to come to the footy for a meal and drinks straight from work rather than dragging execs out on a weekend. Then they get $40k plus the value of Monday nights in their NRL grants. How are they losing money?????
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The article I showed quoted Richo complaining about the Souths v Dragons game, you supplied attendances to different opponents at different times.
[i"The Rabbitohs chief executive, who is leading a groundswell of club complaints against Monday night football, has estimated the round six match against the Dragons will cost Souths $205,000 in potential earnings from ticket, corporate and merchandise sales."[/i
and Greenberg was also taling about a fixture you didn't chose to compare either
[iAnd Bulldogs boss Todd Greenberg said his club had already lost as much as $300,000 in ticket sales by having the opening round game against the Tigers on a Monday night instead of Sunday afternoon.[/i
However, there is clearly some relevance in your post re opponents on different days to show Richo. Maybe you should email him your findings. Maybe you and Dally are proving that NRL clubs lie.
Many clubs play on different mondays. Many don't like playing on Mondays. It seems I can't stress that enough to you.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Hang on, no they don't! I've just shown that the two clubs complaining only played one or two games on a Monday and the crowds were no different than if they had played those teams on a different day so how do they lose money? The FACTS show that they are not losing money on attendances. Corporates? Maybe but I wouldn;t have thought it would be too hard to get companies to come to the footy for a meal and drinks straight from work rather than dragging execs out on a weekend. Then they get $40k plus the value of Monday nights in their NRL grants. How are they losing money?????'"
even if clubs lose out hosting games :
1. the nrl gives money to clubs to offset this ie i think 20k per game.
2. all clubs share it around
3. value of MNF means higher TV money which clubs get
take out MNF TV rights and clubs income goes down ....far more than the $50,000 or so each club loses from hosting 2 of these games
dont know why there is a debate here
richardson doesnt want MNF to end, hes not stupid
he is pushing gallop for more money
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| Quote ="dally messenger"far more than the $50,000 or so each club loses from hosting 2 of these games'"
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| Ok lets look at those specific games shall we
Dogs v Wests Rd1 Monday night this season Att 26,737
Previous seasons: 2010 Fri night 11,837 2009 Sun afternoon 25,622
Sths V St;s Rd6 Monday night this season Att 22,771
Previous seasons: 2010 Fri night 22,238 2009 Sat afternoon 19,218
So there you go, once again the FACTS show that playing those fixtures on a Monday night not only did not cause them to lose money but actually brought in BIGGER crowds! Damn these things called Facts for making CEO's look like they are clearly peddling other agendas!  |
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