Of course not, why should I complain?

I really do think you are misinterpreting my posts - I'm not defending him, just saying that plenty of great players have been niggly and annoying (in fact, that was a pre-requisite skill for half backs in the old days - Murphy, Bishop etc)

fortunatly im too young to remember murphys' playing days

i would have probably said the same about him, my folks always said he was a dirty player, its different persons opinions, in mine, a great or class player is someone who doesnt resort to milking penalties, being niggly and just down right petulant. tomkin is the latter and until he cuts that out to me he's just a player with heaps of talent but acts like a spoilt child

But he somehow feels the need to cheat, moan and niggle... Fans from all clubs can see him doing this... but when people say it, most ***** fans respond with "oh you just want him in your team, you're jealous."

Replace Wigan with Wire and you could be talking about Briers.

Strange that Millward wasn't like that them eh

That's because he was a Cas lad.

Tomkins takes far more niggle and dirty tactics then he dishes out and he's a tough little bug*er because he keeps coming back for more however many times he's the victim of foul play.

I'll admit he oversteps the mark but then so do alot of players with the only difference being the amount of negative comments he recieves in places like these in comparison to the others. That obvioulsy comes with the territory of being such a talented player and he'll just have to live with it as he is doing.

It's just a shame that the game in this country can't produce more players with the passion and will to win that Tomkins has whilst combining it with huge talent.

yea briers is always sliding in with the knees, headbutting on the sly and pushing down on the face with his elbow in the tackle isnt he.

We're Warrington, we'll do what we want.

Please tell me you dont seriously belive this

That's so strange isn't it because quite clearly all throughout this thread I have stated explicitly that in order to be a world class half back you have to be a dirty player

Indeed and i'm proving that being a good player doesn't mean you have to act like you have the morals of a alley cat, also neither does it excuse you for it!

Cringe

You didn't really get the point of that last post did you?

I think we may be operating on different levels here

As somebody who watches him week in week out it's without doubt true.

He gives some but takes far more and just keeps taking the flak and taking the ball in.

A quality player with a winning attitude.

Message to Ryan Bailey

Dear Ryan
It has come to my attention that an opportunity has arisen to start your rehabilitation in the eyes of 99% of the rugby viewing public. Your position as the most hated man in rugby league is comin under serious threat from a player known popularly as " ratboy".

You could start your journey to find a way back into the nations hearts by smashing the afore mentioned " ratboy " but obviously in a fair and legal manner as we could not be seen to condone foul play.

If you do this however you will find yourself subject to comments such as " you only did it because you want him in your team really" and other such ridiculous comments.

The choice is yours.

didn't notice any hull players punch him when he got 1 game ban for doing the same

He must get the abuse whenever he is not on SKY or playing Hull KR then which in current seasons is around half your games.
Strange that eh.

Edited for accuracy.

Either strange or people seeing what they want to see.

Carl Ablett and David Howell were both caught on Camera in recent times trying to put the lad in hospital and Willie Manu tried it a few times in our recent game with Hull FC without success.

A few of the many examples of him taking worse then he dishes out.

Was you watching then on friday, was this the "tough little bugger who keeps coming back for more" the same person who after over stepping the boundaries and getting a reaction off someone, dissapeared out of the game either standing away from the ball or passing from dummy half.

And why have they tried to do that I wonder?
Nothing to do with him being a niggly little turd who is asking for it eh!

Actually he did take the ball up once after that.

























































When he found it in his hands with no one to pas it too!

Quote ="Roverswall"Actually he did take the ball up once after that.'" He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?

Quote ="Roverswall"Actually he did take the ball up once after that.'" He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?

Quote ="Richie"He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?'" No just someone needs to knock Tomkins down a few steps before the Aussies or kiwis do it

Quote ="Richie"He must have been awfully busy before that then. I hadn't felt he had "gone missing" in the game. According to the details here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488230 he seemed the busiest of the backs across both teams, with just a couple of the 33 other players involved making more carries. Is it an English thing to always want to bring down our best players?'" No just someone needs to knock Tomkins down a few steps before the Aussies or kiwis do it

A breakdown of the minutes when he took his carries in with the ball would be nice then. He didn't take many balls up from fullback in the last 20 minutes of the game but that was probably due to the fact he'd been moved into stand off,

Strange how people get on their high horses but all the foul play that Tomkins comes up with yet if anybody trys to smash him it's fair game.

Surely if your so worried about 'fair play' you'd rather see opposition players try and talk in an adult manner with Tomkins instead of sinking to his level?

My examples of Howell and Ablett have something in common with each other that they don't with Sam Tomkins and thats that they're average joes. Their isn't a weekly thread about guys like those because people don't feel threatened by their quality.

Simple really.