Big difference between reletively advanced "PLANS" and near completion of stadium eh ?

Before you go spouting off again please get your facts in place.

Are you serious? Were you around during the last bids? Do you think the RFL were killing time when they had to send out stadium warnings last year to those clubs who made it a racing certainty in their 2008 submissions? I will find some links and quotes for you when I next get to my laptop.

Look above me at the quote and you will find out quite clearly you are very wrong.

Unfortunatly building a stadium doesn't happen overnight even for the biggest of clubs in the world, however when you consider we are a small town (takes a lot of time to get the funds needed) I think we are on time to deliver a stadium.

Near completion? You haven't laid a friggin' brick yet. When I talk about stadiums I'm talking about tangible buildings not pretty little plans and photos of Chairmen in hardhats. Come back when your sat in your new stadium seat.

You're missing the point completely, have you even read the thread? We said we had "Advanced PLANS in place to build a stadium" note the key word there is "Plans" like when you "plan" to go somewhere it doesn't mean it is going to happen and the RFL understood that.



We never said this (the real quote is above your last post) so therefore your original post is wrong.

As for the stadium itself we realise there is a long way to go, however our Chairman has reassured us all the funding is now in place and he wouldn't go through with paying all this money for detailed designs and planning as the money could be used in different areas if he wasn't sure it would come through.

Anything else you want to ask ?

No - you've managed to pull the wool completely over my eyes. Well done you.

Merry xmas sir.

You're wrong.

Merry Christmas though

You normally come acros as a pretty well informed and reasonable bloke, so i'm not sure if your just doing a spot of fishing, but if you knew the ins and outs of the delays behind the cas stadium you would know that matters outside the control of cas have held back the stadiums constuction, principally the council and health and safety executives talking an age to clear the blast zone on the ajacent site at hicksons. Cas could do nothing about this, nor could they do anything about the recesion which has further slowed things down, whats more they couldnt tell the future. Now cas will begin construction of a new stadium in a matter of months while other bigger clubs have not managed to do the same, and we've done it in the middle of hardsest economic times in decades, with no sugar daddy, no fa cash and only a limited amount of council funding which will be a loan rather than permenant funding. And yet still its seems some people are happy to criticise, despite not knowing the full facts and how much hard work and money that has gone into this stadium already.

When i saw that york may be getting a new ground on another thread i was really pleased for them, why an rl fan would be unhappy at seeing an rl club making progress is beyond me.

That's because on this you are as intelligent as a sheep!

sadly he's not alone.up till the last 36 hours i thought you were getting a full stadium,now it appears your not.

Says who?

it wont be anyone official.
so if you can put it to bed then.will it be a full stadium or will it be a stadium to meet the minimum rfl criteria ?. thanks

The information I keep hearing is that it will be a full stadium, however, the real people who know are those involved with the club. Not the average fan on an Internet forum.

Sorry, but anyone who comes out with


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thanks fully and i hope your right.

As it seems that you are in the know about all matters relating to your stadium, perhaps you could clear a couple of things up. Has your ground now been sold and if so for how much, and if it has why did you not submit your fpp earlier instead of waiting for the money from the loan from Wakey council which was guaranteed anyway to submit those plans, and what other areas could the money have been spent on?

an agreemant is in place for wheldon rd to be sold has you know to ben bailey homes,they have a contract until oct 2011 at which point they can pull out if they wish.i wouldnt worry too much about that has there are other offers on the table.

dont worry about that money been made available has you know with the housing market banks will lend to those with plenty of equity and wheldon rd is worth plenty

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those close to the club are confident we have enough money to complete the build and finish the stadium at the first go,yes their is a small shortfall but there is also a lot of avenues to raise more money has the build starts i.e executive boxes,naming rights,sponsorship of bars,stands,buy a brick to name a few all of which will be easier to market once the building work starts.

has for your other question im not sure how the club could have put the fpp in any earlier when the full plans wernt complete until earlier this week,yes its taken a couple of months for them to be done has their were a few alterations to the orignal plan at the fans request which is to include a memorial garden.the onething the club was keen to do was to get the plans right before the plans were submitted has this is something clubs like warrington wishes they had done.

Thanks for the fuller explanation as against your mate's, which borders on the bravado and hope rather than knowledge. I am sure at the end of the day your chairman will have it all sorted out, there is just one thing that puzzles me though if there are other offers' on the table as you suggest, then why havent Ben Bailey homes bought the land already instead of dragging their feet and running the risk of losing out to other developers, as I'm sure you are well aware you cannot afford to wait until oct 2011.

Great news. One more hurdle completed. Unfortunatley, as it's christmas and this is the council we are talking about, it will stay in its envelope until the new year

I agree with you completely about criteria being applied objectively - Cas would be in before a number of other clubs - but the expansion clubs will be in regardless of the quality of their bids - I just wish the RFL would be honest about it. But, Cas and all other SL clubs signed up to the franchise system when it suited them - and I don't blame them for that, each club puts their own needs first and that's understandable. But they and all other SL clubs created huge difficulties for other clubs by consigning them to at least three seasons in a sub-SL standard competition with all the problems that brings - lower attendances, young talent moving away, difficulties finding sponsors, etc. A downward spiral that is hard to get out of. That is what the franchise/licencing system does. It puts those excluded from the elite league at risk. Some clubs will find it hard to survive three years in the wilderness. But, if it was good enough for Leigh, Halifax, Widnes, Featherstone, then it is good enough for Wakefield, Cas, Salford, Saints, et al. They were the clubs who agreed to the system in the first place.
Why we cannot combine promotion / relegation and minimum standards regarding stadia, etc, I don't know. Cas, Hull KR, Salford and Huddersfield managed to survive in 'division 2' when there was promotion to aim for. Cas did superbly well in maintaining attendances, but would they have managed quite so well if there was no promotion for three years? Who knows? But they and the others agreed to the rules, now, they must abide by them. I hope they survive, I really do. But whatever the aims of the franchise system, did anyone expect any different than to find clubs and fans turning against each other in order to preserve their own existence either in the top flight or in any league?

Castleford have been making stadium announcements for years. And still nothing! Cas can make spout whatever about the stadium but most will not believe the BS from them. Cas have received millions from sky over the years and spent it on players rather than the stadium. Cas are no betzer than a championship club. Widnes Barrow and Fax could match Cas now despite being forced to play in a part time league. Cas cant compete in sl and the best youngsters always end up elsewhere. Cas do not deserve to be in sl.

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