Isn't the idea of administration to actually pay off at least [isome[/i of your creditors? You would only need to re-form a company after liquidation, wouldn't you?

Not entirely clued up on this by the way and happy to be proven wrong, but that's my understanding of the situation.

Note to Hedgehog, finding reference to it in the press which was where I read it ages ago is not classed as evidence on here

Ah, the fabled tb Book of Disingenuous Bollox.

I don't recall any mention of 'players' in your original post. You said 'employees'.

And you are plain wrong about administration.

I suppose at least it is an improvement on wrongly claiming (twice to my knowledge) that Widnes went into liquidation in 2007.

I would doubt ANYTHING the press wrote as fact, as would quite a few on here, because their "evidence" at times is dubious.

If it's what is called a pre-pack administration it is commonly done to sell a company without the debts while the company trades in administration. The potential unfairness to creditors is such that the Office of Fair Trading is looking into this area. A recent example was where Cobra entered into administration and was immediately bought by Coors. This allowed the brand to continue and saved jobs, but left suppliers out of pocket by £75 million, which one might think they weren't necesssarily happy about. Is this not reforming without debts?

Yes it is, but that's only one example.

The point I was making was that, following administration, it is entirely negotiable between the administrator and the prospective new buyer as to which (if any) creditors are repaid and how much. Hence the following quote, attributed to Nigel Wood, from Sporting Life regarding Crusaders administration

Well he's not "plain wrong" then. There is a commonly used form of administration which sees the creditors royally screwed.

Forgive me if this has been said in previous posts on this thread, couldn't be bothered to read em all!

Transparency from the RFL would sort out a great deal of the uncertainty (therefore all the slagging off) that we fans are put through.

IF the RFL just come out and state that we rely on SKY MONEY, like we all know they do, and Sky want expansion clubs in or else, then we would all know where we stand.

To sum up- Crusaders-Quinns-Catalans are in whatever they do, but the rest of the clubs have to abide by our rules.

Very unfair I know, but come Red Hall get some Bol**cks and tell us like it is.

No - they just change their operational rules on the sly to engineer a safe passage for their target clubs.

Fact me till I fart tb.

Google has revealed to me where I read it but unfortunately the source isn't available online.

Leighton Samuel did an interview in League Express (I think it was them if it wasn't then it was t'other trade paper) when the scandal broke in which he said that the players were paid by Dekor frame (as it was then) with the rest "made up by supporters".

Unless and until LE puts all its back issues online, I cannot give you a link to that interview. I can google up links to old forum threads where some people refer to the interview but I cannot get you the article itself.

I also seem to remember Leighton Samuel stating the RFL approached him and asked if he would back a club in Wales. It may even have been in the same article. Why they thought he'd treat league different to how he treated union god only knows.

Unfortunately rather too many people / parties behaved rather badly over the whole issue - Cardiff RFC, Lllanelli RFC, the WRU, Pontypridd RFC to name but a few. This gave LS the wriggle room to blame others and claim to be the innocent party.

Even within RL today, there are still some people who buy the line that LS was let down by the RFL, the South Wales business community, Brewery Field Ltd, flatcappers, WRU, the freemasons and it wasn't his fault.

Here's an interesting one. A certain "tb" was told of the interview in this thread and didn't reply to the post. m.rlfans.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

Here's an interesting one. A certain "tb" was told of the interview in this thread and didn't reply to the post. m.rlfans.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

This they have history of in the past

Cas in 2005 is one that springs to mind

Isn't that tb's club?

Quote ="Hedgehog King"Here's an interesting one. A certain "tb" was told of the interview in this thread and didn't reply to the post. m.rlfans.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525'" And you are surprised by that

Quote ="Hedgehog King"Here's an interesting one. A certain "tb" was told of the interview in this thread and didn't reply to the post. m.rlfans.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525'" And you are surprised by that

No, but to be fair - ne never complained when Wigan screwed them over with the salary cap scandal.

But I dont have a link , strange really , if the RFL were going to do something sneaky like that , you'd expect them to announce it in the press wouldn't you

The payback of which will ' kick in ' in a few months time , why do you think Wakey are everybodies favourites to drop despite out perorming Cas in recent years


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I think some people view the RFL as incompetent and wonder how they can police the salary cap while being so lacklustre in other areas.
Some of the 'money men' in the sport are beyond the pale but are seemingly encouraged ; some are bankrupt one minute and club chairmen the next - while some take a club into administration and begin as 'new' owners.
The most galling of all is that genuine coaches and players suffer.
John Dixon did not recruit for Super League allegedly because Leighton Samuels had lost interest.Near the end of the season the 'brains department' from the RFL were sent in to assist with 'cashflow problems and seek new investment'.This assistance now turns out to be the selling of the club to money men apparently disliked by those at Wrexham FC and who themselves are such intelligent business people that they failed to do due diligence,allegedly,and faced a winding-up order.
Can it be true that the RFL are owed £700k for such professionalism ?
Probably best it's not transparent and we'll leave all the rich,honest business people in the country,and from abroad,to busy themselves in the private boxes of soccer and cricket grounds while rugby league coughs and splutters from crisis to crisis.

I am amazed, you'd have thought that someone with such an interest in proving / disproving assertions would have found it very useful.

Transparency is not the word we are looking for cru but honesty and fairness

I'm sure other fans of championship clubs like my self can see that licensing is great for the sport.

Applied fairly and honesty, the criteria can only improve SL. That hasn't happened and SL hasn't been improved. Any clubs being rejected for SL should then be allowed to work closely with the RFL in order to improve. This can then only improve standards within the championship. Again this hasn't happened. One championship club will get the nod for SL having worked with the RFL and they have made no improvements to the championship. So even the inadvertant knock on effect hasn't happened.

Without honesty and fairness embarrassing situations like the one we find with your plastic club will continue. The good name of RL will continue to be sullied and people will continue to turn their back on the sport. Even you must be abe to see that past your blinkers!??

Licensing is a great idea and wonderful opportunity to improve our sport missed due to people having ulterior motives

And still we wait for said article 24 hours or so after the original post referring to a salary cap breach. Google really is a lot more complicated than we originally thought.

This kind of backs up what was said in my original few posts. People make up their own 'facts' and treat them as gospel.

The bit that confuses me is people seem to think they know for definite what the RFL are doing and Quins, Catalans and Crusaders are their blue eyed boys and in no matter what. This could well be the case but why, if you are so certain, do you need to be told it by the organisation? If I go out for a walk and my head gets wet from drops of water it doesn't mean I need to run home to check the weather forecast to know that it's raining.

Why do we have a franchise system in SL ?

What happens if the heartland clubs remain and the game is played solely around the M62 corridor as some blinkered idiots on here think it should be?

My guess is Sky will soon get sick of it and let the game fall by the wayside in favour of the truly global and Britain wide union game. Inferior game but so much more for the business that is Sky in a commercial sense. That is a fact which is why the union game gets so much more from Sky and sponsors.

Like it or lump it rugby league needs to be truly global and Britain wide as soon as possible if it isn't going to die in the cold of union's shadow. This needs to happen and new areas need help because they are not traditional rugby areas, that is plain to see and is the way it has to be for the game to survive.

Does anybody think rugby league will survive if it remained being solely played in the M62 corridor with no expansion clubs and no Sky money as they want the expansion clubs.